Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby STrRedWolf » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:25 pm

east point wrote:Almost All LIRR passengers are very familiar of changing trains at Jamaica. They could almost as easily change to Amtrak at NYP!


An argument can be made considering the current state of overcrowding at NYP. That may change with the expansion into the post office.
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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby mtuandrew » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:31 pm

Has there been a demand study performed in regard to the destinations of Long Island passengers? Amtrak to the Island is a much easier sell if they tend to go up the Hudson Valley than it is if most passengers go toward Philly and Washington, or if most of them just go to New York and no farther. It’s not like Amtrak is so short on yard space at Sunnyside that they have to send sets out to remote locations.
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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:51 pm

think a study would be part of a plan .
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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby mark777 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:14 am

Dutch: DE/DMs operate at 80 mph in electrified territory wherever there are no speed restrictions. 65mph on diesel territory, even less on the mainline east of KO.

mtuandrew : Actually, what I was getting at is more in the way of, "leave it the way it is now." BUT, you have a point that actually could and will hold water if say Amtrak and the MTA wanted to cooperate with each other an perhaps set up something similar to what airlines do which is known as joint ventures and code shares. You could have something in the likes of say having some LIRR trains having an actual connecting Amtrak train at Penn to Albany or Buffalo and vice versa. You may even have a system in which passengers could either purchase an Amtrak ticket at say Ronkonkoma along with their LIRR ticket and have it as a single thru ticket to their destination. This already exists in Spain where you can purchase a ticket in Madrid on Spain's AVE and actually be able to transfer to SNCF's TGV at Barcelona or Figueres and travel to Paris. You can be even more creative and make better use of the longer center tracks at Penn (tracks 14 to 9) and have an LIRR train pull up on the same track to an Amtrak train and have passengers switch on the same platform. Could we do this during peak hours? probably not, but there are usable slots during off peak hours where this might work. This is a way more viable option than bringing Amtrak onto LIRR tracks. I will keep adding that LI is a dead end. Not just only geographically, but demand wise. Amtrak to Montauk makes even less sense than if it were to go to Ronkonkoma. The Cannonball runs at the max (12 car bi-level coaches) on Fridays between Memorial Day and Labor Day. There is no counterpart on Sundays. Amtrak would basically be operating a train in one direction and do what the LIRR already does, deadhead an empty 12 car train back west. Demand is not there westbound on Friday night. Amtrak also does not have equipment that would be well suited for a high capacity Cannonball train which if anyone has ever been on starting on Memorial Day, is packed beyond sensible limits. Amfleet I and II cars are not laid out for high capacity and are set up for inter city operations, not commuter service. Again, forget the Acela because you wont see wires above any LIRR tracks east of Harold. So essentially, the most viable solution would be trying to create a joint venture or to schedule trains where passengers could transfer with little down time through Penn. Lets not forget that at the end of the day, we are talking about Amtrak here. Amtrak is rarely funded proportionally, and while some states have joined the band wagon in funding state sponsored train service to be operated by Amtrak, few of them (except the west coast), have dared to spend the big bucks in purchasing new "current" equipment that could enhance rail service and perhaps better compete with airlines within shorter more regional corridors. Amtrak on LI would be redundant. Redundancy is not cost effective.
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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:50 pm

consider source ?
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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby mtuandrew » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:08 pm

Messrs. Moore and Dutch: that’s a word for word reprint of the Amtrak press release of Feb 1, 2019. I think that website is a news aggregator and not a primary source.
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Re: Amtrak to Long Island: MTA agrees to explore

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:45 pm

Don't be surprised if the study falls through. Having said this over and over and with reason, the money could be used elsewhere rather than having to bring Amtrak to the major employment centers on Long Island. I don't mind seeing a seasonal train running to the beaches on the south fork of Eastern Long Island but to see Amtrak run as far as Ronkonkoma is not worth the money. I remember that VIA actually had one of their corridor trains that was heading to Montreal start out in Aldershot. I'm not sure if that's the case but I'm not surprised that VIA had that train originate in Toronto as there are plenty of GO Transit trains serving Aldershot.
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