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HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:22 am

Even if Amazon officially remains mum, News Outlets are reporting "the deed is done" - Long Island and Crystal Cities will be HQ2 (addendum: now confirmed).

While the most convenient way between the two "halves" will be the DCA-LGA "Shuttles", Amazon clearly let it be known that mass transportation was to be a factor in their selection process (I think that when Nashville scuttled a mass transit initiative which included rail, there went any hopes they had of a score addendum: there will be a logistics facility), such includes a ready means to "shuttle" between the facilities.

No question whatever, the potential for Amtrak is there, but "will they be up to it?"

The longer projects such as Gateway and A-I replacements remain in limbo, the question remains on the table.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby EuroStar » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:05 am

I doubt that Amtrak was any consideration in the choice. For something like this, while it is nice that there is an alternative to the air travel, "betting the farm" on a rail link that might have a severe disruption should Portal or the tunnels fail in a major way is not what business planning is all about. Amtrak might see a few extra passengers, but I would not expect anything more. If Amazon wanted to rely on Amtrak they would have ended up in the Hudson Yards (I am not sure if the city offered that location though) as there is still a whole block to develop there. And in DC, the choice would not have been Virginia, but DC itself.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby Greg Moore » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 pm

Yeah, I'm not sure Amtrak was much of a factor. Though, I would expect some small uptick in passenger rates.

I suspect 99% of their concern of Mass Transit was purely in the local options.

That said, given the problems with the DC Metro, I'd question how well IT can handle the additional loads. Perhaps this means the proposed new Blue Line route up happens. In 30 years ;-)
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:03 pm

Related thread about the WMATA, MARC and VRE responses to HQ2: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=168610
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby SouthernRailway » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:54 pm

Wouldn’t flying be faster?

Long Island City is right near LaGuardia.

Crystal City is literally next to Washington Reagan.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:39 pm

SouthernRailway wrote:Long Island City is right near LaGuardia.
JetBlue's corporate headquarters is in Long Island City, at Queensboro Plaza, at the east end of the Ed Koch (formerly Queensboro) Bridge.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby benboston » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:14 pm

I think that Amazon could potentially run a Sunnyside Yards to Potomac Yards Amazon only two stop high-speed train. This wouldn't be that unfeasible if Amazon helped fund projects on the NEC, for example, the Hudson Tubes, Portal Bridge, and electrification of the Potomac Bridge. This would allow for fast travel for Amazon employees. Also, they could build directly above Sunnyside Yards, much like what is being done at Hudson Yards. This would allow for an all-inclusive office space + station for fast travel between DC and NYC.

It was suggested by someone previously that Amazon builds atop Hudson Yards, but in reality, this is already being developed at the moment.

I think that it is very feasible that we will see major developments of transit around these two new Amazon HQs because of what we have seen them do in Seattle, for example, they helped the city build the South Lake Union Streetcar.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby quad50cal » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:14 pm

benboston wrote:Also, they could build directly above Sunnyside Yards, much like what is being done at Hudson Yards.

HQ2-LIC isn't going to be built over Sunnyside yards. The Amazon blog announcement has a map showing their new HQ2 on Vernon Blvd - between the LIC ferry dock and the 23rd St Ely Ave subway station. The Governor's announcement also stated that the specific site Amazon is located on 20 acres currently zoned for light manufacturing.

Overall, I wouldn't expect Amtrak to do much with Sunnyside yards. DeBlasio is enthusiastic about redeveloping the yards but that naturally brings him into conflict with Cuomo and the MTA who aren't keen on the idea. Why are they relevant? The MTA owns a minority section of the yard, which is most of the valuable street facing property, effectively giving them veto power on any development.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:41 pm

Court Square is what's going to take a beating - and probably on both the IND and IRT sides, since it's a mystery to me who exactly can afford these luxury high rise apartments that are growing like weeds in LIC. Amtrak is not really going to factor into it much. It remains to be seen if Diblasio's pet project the BQX street car will be hastened because of this. Alas, neither of these have to do with Amtrak ;)
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby daybeers » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:47 am

Yikes this will not be good for D.C. Traffic is already some of the worst in the country, and as said above, the Metro is not doing well. There is no way they will be able to handle the numbers. Not to mention the gentrification. Ugh.

Hell, Amazon has enough money to make their own train service!
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:03 am

GirlOnTheTrain wrote:Alas, neither of these have to do with Amtrak.
LIRR seems more relevant here. Will both LIC and HPA become full-time service to meet with the newly developed and commercialized Long Island City instead of being just peak direction terminals?
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby BandA » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:58 am

Just hire Elon Musk's Boring Company to build the Hyperloop between the two sites.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby benboston » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:30 am

quad50cal wrote:
benboston wrote:Also, they could build directly above Sunnyside Yards, much like what is being done at Hudson Yards.

HQ2-LIC isn't going to be built over Sunnyside yards. The Amazon blog announcement has a map showing their new HQ2 on Vernon Blvd - between the LIC ferry dock and the 23rd St Ely Ave subway station. The Governor's announcement also stated that the specific site Amazon is located on 20 acres currently zoned for light manufacturing.

Overall, I wouldn't expect Amtrak to do much with Sunnyside yards. DeBlasio is enthusiastic about redeveloping the yards but that naturally brings him into conflict with Cuomo and the MTA who aren't keen on the idea. Why are they relevant? The MTA owns a minority section of the yard, which is most of the valuable street facing property, effectively giving them veto power on any development.


Who owns the air rights?
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby benboston » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 am

R36 Combine Coach wrote:
GirlOnTheTrain wrote:Alas, neither of these have to do with Amtrak.
LIRR seems more relevant here. Will both LIC and HPA become full-time service to meet with the newly developed and commercialized Long Island City instead of being just peak direction terminals?


I could see Amazon making a new fancy headhouse, like an oculus-style thing.
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Re: HQ2 - Amtrak "Up For It"?

Postby benboston » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:33 am

BandA wrote:Just hire Elon Musk's Boring Company to build the Hyperloop between the two sites.


He and Jeff Bezos have beef because of their Space companies.
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