Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby superstar » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:58 pm

There was a rumor going around a couple months ago that there was going to be a hot breakfast option. I'm disappointed it never came to fruition because I think the single breakfast option is the biggest weakness of the service.
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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby FatNoah » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:05 am

I'd like to imagine this is a bit of what the Pacific Parlour car was like


I only experienced the Parlour once, and I was the ONLY passenger in it for about two hours.
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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby eolesen » Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:24 pm

Under union workrules, can Amtrak even have the diners assigned to other trains and open for use without a food service worker present?

I get that people don't want to see new cars sitting in a yard, but that cost of ownership is money already spent. You're not saving any money by using them. If anything, you're probably wasting it.

In the yard, they're not breaking down requiring service, they don't need to be cleaned, and they aren't causing incremental fuel burn.

Putting them into service on a state service elsewhere simply means they're not available to swap into service when they're needed for another car that's out of service, and they're now a new type of car that the mechanical guys will have to deal with and won't necessarily have the parts to repair with if something does break... Sure, there's commonality with the other VL2's, but not necessarily with the interior fittings, and those are the things that will break if they're opened to the public.
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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby jp1822 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:15 pm

Amtrak stored Amfleets and other cars that I won't even mention, and it took stimulus money and other funds to get them back into working order, while other cars put to storage in "new" condition were scrapped. There's an inherent cost to store or keep them inactive as well. Amtrak has 14 potential Viewliner II Diners to swap into service where only 11 are required for service (8 if you want to consider Viewliner Diners with operational kitchens).
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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby Matt Johnson » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:35 am

At the 1:30 mark, I guess that's evidence of the kitchens being used as kitchens on the Meteor! Is that cooking grease or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuHbHONsWVE
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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby BandA » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:10 pm

Amtrak could wait for Flippy the Robot. They could also start their own dinner train using all the spare diners.
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Re: Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby ryanov » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:17 am

The diners are definitely in use on the Meteor. I had an excellent steak back in May.
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Usage of new diners - split from v2 thread

Postby jp1822 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:51 am

Eight (8) Viewliner II's are in active duty as regular diners on the Crescent and Meteor
Three (3) Viewliner II's are in active duty as sleeper lounges on the Lake Shore Limited

That's a total of 11 Viewliner II Diners in regular use, out of 25 that could be used (counting Indianapolis). VIewliner II Diner Albany has not been re-delivered yet, otherwise the number would be 26.

So that means Amtrak has 14 (FOURTEEN) VIewliner II Diners in storage right now - Hialeah, Florida in all likelihood.

ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS AND SUCH A WASTE OF A GREAT RAIL CAR WITH A LOT INVESTED IN IT. Remember - it doesn't HAVE to operate as a diner. Close the kitchen and operate as a sleeper lounge on other single level long distance trains, or as a "lounge" on long distance day trains. Car has great opportunity and potential for serving and adding value to a patron's travel on Amtrak. That's the greater goal of Amtrak.
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