Amtrak and the USPS

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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby jackal » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:31 pm

David Benton wrote:A study a few years ago , by the GAO(?), found the USPS could save a few million by using rail more. I don't think Amtrak was specifically mentioned, possibly they were thinking more along the lines of piggyback trailers on Freight.

It was actually the USPS Office of the Inspector General (OIG), an independent agency separate from the USPS but tasked with monitoring the USPS's operation. I think they generally don't have actual oversight but can make recommendations (sort of like the NTSB does for the FAA and FRA).

The report is at https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/strate ... -mail-rail

The report was published back in 2012 and AFAICT nothing has been done as a result of it.

ExCon90 wrote:The freight railroads haul trainloads of other than first-class mail, which is loaded into trailers at mostly outlying facilities with excellent highway access and trucked to the railroad's intermodal terminal.


I would love to see confirmation of this, because I have found zero info anywhere about any large-scale, consistent use of intermodal by the USPS. AFAICT, all long-distance haulage of surface mail is done by HCR (Highway Contract Route). It's been mentioned that some carriers (JB Hunt, etc.) will bid on a HCR and then actually put their trailer on a train (TOFC), but the USPS itself doesn't directly use intermodal in most cases. I'd be fascinated to learn if I'm wrong, though.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby ExCon90 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:13 pm

Of course it's been awhile, and things change, but Conrail used to operate MAIL-9 and some others between Eastern and Midwestern points, scheduled to suit the requirements of USPS. Maybe things have changed since the Conrail split.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:49 pm

its not railroads that canceled mail, the USPS got out of shipping by train and sold its facilities.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:16 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:its not railroads that canceled mail, the USPS got out of shipping by train and sold its facilities.

Washington Main Post Office (Union Station), Philadelphia 30 Street Station Post Office, Farley and Boston Main Postal Station have all been sold or redeveloped. USPS retail service (counter service) will still be available at Farley.

Is the SPG postal terminal (where trains 12/13 originated and terminated) still in use or sold?
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:30 pm

Believe there's still some palletized 3rd or 4th class mail(bulk magazines,advertising material)that ride in the View II bags.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby east point » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:39 pm

Bradley airport ( Windsor Locks ) near Springfield still has a fairly large postal sorting facility .
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby Railjunkie » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:02 am

Backshophoss wrote:Believe there's still some palletized 3rd or 4th class mail(bulk magazines,advertising material)that ride in the View II bags.



Have not seen that type of stuff in years.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby DogBert » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:58 am

R36 Combine Coach wrote:
ExCon90 wrote:Back in the day the proximity of postal sorting centers and major stations (e.g., New York, Philadelphia) simplified transfer between the post office and passenger trains, but now the PO is in the suburbs (in Philadelphia, the former 30th St. post office is now the regional office of the IRS, and the tunnels and passageways to the platforms at 30th St. Station are unused. The USPS sorting center is now out near the airport).
The major cities on the NEC, Washington, Philadelphia, New York and Boston all had their main post office stations at or adjacent to the railroad station (I believe Chicago, Pittsburgh and St. Louis as well). There were connections between Penn Station and the Farley building for mail transfer and even Farley had its own mail platforms beneath.


There is a very little known tunnel that goes from the basement of Farley (and the mail platform connection) under 9th avenue to the massive Morgan sorting facility.

http://ltvsquad.com/2006/11/13/the-farl ... al-tunnel/
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby BandA » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:13 pm

The Boston mail facility has not been sold or redeveloped. The MBTA/MassDot wants it back for South Station Expansion but so far the USPS has balked at the inferior land swap and supposedly "irreplaceable"/unmovable sorting equipment. The USPS needs to plug their unfunded pension liabilities, so they want a big payday.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby STrRedWolf » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:03 pm

BandA wrote:The Boston mail facility has not been sold or redeveloped. The MBTA/MassDot wants it back for South Station Expansion but so far the USPS has balked at the inferior land swap and supposedly "irreplaceable"/unmovable sorting equipment. The USPS needs to plug their unfunded pension liabilities, so they want a big payday.


USPS needs Congress to stop raping it on those pension liabilities, to be honest. Check how much it's being stiffed by law. That "big payday" can be killed if it's constant debt load was eased up, which would make it easier for them to do the swap.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby DURR5017116 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:29 pm

BandA wrote:The Boston mail facility has not been sold or redeveloped. The MBTA/MassDot wants it back for South Station Expansion but so far the USPS has balked at the inferior land swap and supposedly "irreplaceable"/unmovable sorting equipment. The USPS needs to plug their unfunded pension liabilities, so they want a big payday.


FYI The "unfunded pension liabilities" are actually quite well funded.....for 75 years actually. The Bush Administration required that and has essentially almost killed the USPS...
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby BandA » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:48 pm

Like the railroads in the '60s, the Post Office is a smaller, lower-volume operation & presumably is carrying lots of retirees. As for Boston GMF or whatever they call it now, it's a matter of building a new smaller facility nearby on Massachusetts Port Authority land, shifting some of the suburban work to some other sorting facility (such as re-opening the ?northwest middlesex? sort facility in Waltham if that is possible). And having the Feds cut a check to the Post Office for a hundred(s) millions to square things. One pocket to the other. Bonus, Boston gets a local road back that the Post Office expropriated.
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Re: Amtrak and the USPS

Postby STrRedWolf » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:56 pm

AMTK822401 wrote:
BandA wrote:The Boston mail facility has not been sold or redeveloped. The MBTA/MassDot wants it back for South Station Expansion but so far the USPS has balked at the inferior land swap and supposedly "irreplaceable"/unmovable sorting equipment. The USPS needs to plug their unfunded pension liabilities, so they want a big payday.


FYI The "unfunded pension liabilities" are actually quite well funded.....for 75 years actually. The Bush Administration required that and has essentially almost killed the USPS...


Still killing it. 75 years has been noted to being "too much" and there's been some effort to cut it down to more reasonable tenure.
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