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ryanov wrote: If Amtrak can’t succesfully fire a rapist, that’s on them.
Criminal charges were refiled in December 2015, and on September 23, 2016, a jury convicted Pinner of kidnapping and sexual intercourse without consent. He was sentenced to 60 years in prison in January of this year, and is currently located at the Crossroads Correctional Center in Shelby. He has filed to appeal the case with the Montana Supreme Court, but has not yet filed any briefs supporting his appeal. He is now 61 years old.
rohr turbo wrote:Railjunkie wrote:
Computers don't fall asleep at the controls (Spuyten Duyvil), text and give joyrides (Chatsworth), or lose track of their location (Phila.).
Deval wrote:The union didn't hire this guy. Amtrak did.
BandA wrote:I know of a case at the Post Office where an employee was fired for groping women, and the union got him reinstated. Don't know if it continued. Certainly his peers didn't like working with him. There are many cases of police officers who are fired for misbehavior towards citizens, then reinstated with back pay, sent back onto the streets where they again misbehave. Unions are not held accountable, nor are judges who have poor judgment.
In the case of government and these quasi-government agencies, management is much weaker than the union and cannot stand up to them. Also state and federal boards often side overwhelmingly with unions in disputes.electricron wrote:BandA wrote:I know of a case at the Post Office where an employee was fired for groping women, and the union got him reinstated. Don't know if it continued. Certainly his peers didn't like working with him. There are many cases of police officers who are fired for misbehavior towards citizens, then reinstated with back pay, sent back onto the streets where they again misbehave. Unions are not held accountable, nor are judges who have poor judgment.
I*t's not the "Union's" job to grade anyone's character, it's their job to represent all their union members during labor-management contractual talks. The contracts can often get very messy.
In some states judges face reelection on a regular basis, voters will have the opportunity to unelected some. In other states, judges are elected for life, and state representatives and state senators can impeach them. So in some way or another, judges are held accountable.
Unions are held accountable by their membership, when the union bosses ignore the wishes of the majority of their membership, they can get fired at the union's next convention.
rohr turbo wrote:I mean no disrespect, but consider:ryanov wrote: This is not a “different world” and workplaces are still dangerous today. .
Look around you and recognize that it IS a different world from 100 years ago. Dangerous workplace? Yes, for the rape victim. For competent employees, not so bad.ryanov wrote: If Amtrak can’t succesfully fire a rapist, that’s on them.
Others would say that if Amtrak (semi-governmental, with strong legal team) cannot fire a Union-represented rapist, then maybe the system is broken.
Further, look at all the non-union industries today. Generally well-paid, safe, comfortable (and the bad apples can be removed.)
BandA wrote:I know of a case at the Post Office where an employee was fired for groping women, and the union got him reinstated. Don't know if it continued. Certainly his peers didn't like working with him. There are many cases of police officers who are fired for misbehavior towards citizens, then reinstated with back pay, sent back onto the streets where they again misbehave. Unions are not held accountable, nor are judges who have poor judgment.
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