Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby ApproachMedium » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:03 am

Wheel sets, usually they truck them around the east coast here.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby jp1822 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:13 pm

Gilbert B Norman wrote:They live!!

Observed today a former SP Coach/conversion H-Bagg in consist of #6 (29).

To paraphrase Hamlet. "Something's rotten with the V-Bags", for with the additional 15 of such, they cannot keep the existing consists protected. Amtrak had best not accept any more V-Cars, until I would fear some underlying issues are addressed.


This is what is going to get Amtrak in trouble, especially with the current administration. They place an order for Viewliners nearly 10 years ago, mismanage the order somehow (CAF, Amtrak whatever), get the baggage cars delivered (after much delay), but then find problem after problem once they are finally delivered. And Trump would call these cars nothing but box cars on wheels that can't be manufactured in a descent amount of time. I am sure there are stories behind the scenes, but IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. What happens if the Sprinters start failing. Amtrak cut up the AEM7's. They'll be heading out to Lancaster to ask for some engines back at the Railroad Museum of PA.

Mooreman has got to get this CAF order under control - it's a Public Relations nightmare and shows the deep inefficiencies of both CAF and Amtrak. Even the original Viewliner order was a debacle. But they have got to get this one straightened out. Seriously the baggage cars are the simplest of the Viewliner cars to build and are practically box cars on wheels. Even I am starting to believe that.

I am also starting to wonder if there is more to the story of why they got pushed to the back of the train......do the HEP cables work through them all the time or is that problematic so they just put the baggage cars on the rear to "be safe" than sorry.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby R30A » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:27 pm

Most Viewliner baggage cars run on the front of the trains they are on so that obviously is not an issue.

There is now a Viewliner II Diner in service, so they obviously can build such too.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby east point » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:04 pm

Actually the HEP on the baggage cars is set up just like all HEP cars. Power can route around the end back up into train.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby ApproachMedium » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:34 am

Bags on the back has NOTHING to do with car problems etc it has to do with the winter and how they make and break consists. In the winter times they keep the florida long distance trains set up the same direction as the chicago train out of ssyd so that the consists can swap every trip to let the chicago train thaw out down south. The reason 89/90 is on the rear is because in WAS they remove the head 3 cars along with the electric and turn it for the later run of 90 back north on the head end. The bag on the rear allows the train to be easily manipulated on a daily basis.

There is a reason for everything, and if there was really some kind of problem like HEP pass thru, you would NOT be seeing the cars on the train at all.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby David Benton » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:11 am

Plus amps are the same right through the circuit, so it doesnt make any difference if the car is at the front or the back , the same amount of power passes through . ( it is looped across the back of the last car.)
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:20 am

In the past'"Buffer" cars were needed to handle older "steam" heat cars on HEP consists to/from Beech Grove
and otherwise "not quite" compatable equipment(turbo coaches as an example)as needed
Why are there still "Buffer cars" needed now? for hauling parts from Beech Grove to other shops?
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby Alcochaser » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:04 am

They are used to keep the single level fleet apart from the high level fleet on the deadheads to and from the grove.

A high level car diaphragm coupled into a low level car diaphragm will cause damage. The buffer cars have rubber tubes on each end which won't damage a high level diaphragm.

High level cars are the reason most PVs have rubber tubes on the ends.

They do get used for wheels and moving parts a lot too.

These are actually the second set of HEP era buffer cars. The originals 10400-10403 were former army cars Amtrak had converted into bag dorms lounges and such. Some of them are on the NCDOT trains now.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby Tadman » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:32 pm

Mod note: Do we have any real evidence of a problem here other than consist placement? Look there's been enough problems with the new cars, let's not invent one where one does not exist. Bags on the back is not uncommon, there's nothing to see here unless some of the pros can confirm otherwise.

Please let's not open this into a "what's wrong with viewliners" thread.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby F40CFan » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:22 pm

I read somewhere that they put a bag on the back when the sleepers are on the back. Apparently the last car on the train gets a kind of crack-the-whip effect. Putting the bag on the back supposedly gives the sleeper passengers a smoother ride.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:57 pm

That explains the continued need for "Buffer cars".
Since there not a lot of Trans-Dorms/Sleepers in the Superliner fleet,seen plenty of PV's tacked on the
last coach of the SW Chief on a regular basis.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby Alcochaser » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:08 pm

Backshophoss wrote:That explains the continued need for "Buffer cars".
Since there not a lot of Trans-Dorms/Sleepers in the Superliner fleet,seen plenty of PV's tacked on the
last coach of the SW Chief on a regular basis.


The trans dorms are needed on the road. They are rarely if ever used as "buffer" cars except for their intended purpose of allowing the crew access to the "working" baggage car.

The buffer cars are often used to haul parts the same time they are being used as a buffer car. Though one has to wonder the effectiveness of 10405 at hauling parts. At least one end of the car is open sure, but you have to load anything thru the vestibule or the end door. All other cars have been ether former bag dorms or baggage cars.
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby SEPTA Fan 235 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:16 am

I saw some heritage baggage cars just south of Wilmington, DE near the Amtrak training facility. Anyone know why they're not at Beach Grove or another maintenance facility?
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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby John_Perkowski » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:35 am

F40CFan wrote:Apparently the last car on the train gets a kind of crack-the-whip effect.


HUH?

I've ridden passenger service on 3 continents, 1st class and coach. I've been in the last car of many trains, be they named railroad (UP) before Amtrak, Amtrak in the Rainbow (later Heritage) era, and Amtrak in the Superliner era. As long as:
- A train has tightlock couplers (US passenger trains do)
- The engineman opens the throttle to start the train with with reasonable care...

There is little if any slack to take up, and the ride is comfortable from the first hint of motion

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Re: Heritage Baggage Car: Status and Disposition

Postby ApproachMedium » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:47 pm

SEPTA Fan 235 wrote:I saw some heritage baggage cars just south of Wilmington, DE near the Amtrak training facility. Anyone know why they're not at Beach Grove or another maintenance facility?


They are there for training.
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