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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby Rockingham Racer » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:30 am

David Benton wrote:A map would be great , for those of us not familiar with the area.



http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/portals/ ... rogram.pdf

Scroll to page 10, and there you have it.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby mtuandrew » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:24 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Believe it would be a "toss up" between IP's Mass Central and the Grafton & Upton as best freight operator playing along with MBTA.
Figure on NS finally pulling the "trigger" on PAS takeover from PAR.

My money is on a G&W property, whether NECR, P&W, or a new railroad company.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby asull85 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:27 pm

mtuandrew wrote:
Backshophoss wrote:Believe it would be a "toss up" between IP's Mass Central and the Grafton & Upton as best freight operator playing along with MBTA.
Figure on NS finally pulling the "trigger" on PAS takeover from PAR.

My money is on a G&W property, whether NECR, P&W, or a new railroad company.


It's my understanding that G&W was told in no uncertain terms by the STB that they can't have anymore pieces to the pie in New England after acquiring the P&W. G&W overextended themselves on the RailAmerica and P&W deals.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby David Benton » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:50 pm

Rockingham Racer wrote:
David Benton wrote:A map would be great , for those of us not familiar with the area.



http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/portals/ ... rogram.pdf

Scroll to page 10, and there you have it.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby gokeefe » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:18 pm

asull85 wrote:It's my understanding that G&W was told in no uncertain terms by the STB that they can't have anymore pieces to the pie in New England after acquiring the P&W. G&W overextended themselves on the RailAmerica and P&W deals.


That is a very interesting piece of information. Thank you.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby Ridgefielder » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:06 pm

Just throwing it out there, but: don't rule out private equity as an acquirer. I could easily see a company like Fortress getting involved, particularly if there's the possibility of a public-private partnership providing $$ for passenger-focused improvements.

Hey, who knows-- maybe the successor to CSX on the B&A will be "The Boston & Albany RR, LLC!" :wink:
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby mtuandrew » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:22 pm

Ridgefielder wrote:Just throwing it out there, but: don't rule out private equity as an acquirer. I could easily see a company like Fortress getting involved, particularly if there's the possibility of a public-private partnership providing $$ for passenger-focused improvements.

Hey, who knows-- maybe the successor to CSX on the B&A will be "The Boston & Albany RR, LLC!" :wink:

If that’s so, I expect that title to eventually be appended “...a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Delaware & Hudson Co., an American subsidiary of Canadian Pacific Railway Ltd.” :P

(Or “a subsidiary of Norfolk Southern Corporation” :wink: )
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby Ironman » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:40 pm

BandA wrote:Why wouldn't they sell the line & retain Springfield and Worcester yards & freight rights, pocket the cash?


Part of the goal is to eliminate employees.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby Greg Moore » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:49 pm

Hmm, anyone want to start a railroad?

(I'm actually a bit serious).

Acquire this, wait for the Housy to finally fail, acquire that and start to build a western New England shortline...
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby gokeefe » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:59 pm

Ridgefielder wrote:Just throwing it out there, but: don't rule out private equity as an acquirer. I could easily see a company like Fortress getting involved, particularly if there's the possibility of a public-private partnership providing $$ for passenger-focused improvements.

Hey, who knows-- maybe the successor to CSX on the B&A will be "The Boston & Albany RR, LLC!" :wink:


Fortress has come to my thoughts as well.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby Safetee » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:46 pm

I'm putting my money on the woman from chicopee. You know the one who won the 750 million last year.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby sullysullinburg » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:49 pm

gokeefe wrote:
Ridgefielder wrote:Just throwing it out there, but: don't rule out private equity as an acquirer. I could easily see a company like Fortress getting involved, particularly if there's the possibility of a public-private partnership providing $$ for passenger-focused improvements.

Hey, who knows-- maybe the successor to CSX on the B&A will be "The Boston & Albany RR, LLC!" :wink:


Fortress has come to my thoughts as well.

Possible for sure, but Fortress was bought by SoftBank, who might not be so keen on rail as Fortress was.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby BandA » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:06 pm

Nightmare scenario: Housatonic might be the buyer
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby Greg Moore » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:35 pm

BandA wrote:Nightmare scenario: Housatonic might be the buyer


With what money? Seriously, they can't keep their own plant running, I can't see them swinging this.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line: Greenfield/Boston B&A Shuttle S

Postby johnpbarlow » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:11 am

Per Friday article in Albany Times-Union, CSX says reports that the B&A mainline are up for sale is fake news:

http://m.timesunion.com/business/article/CSX-rules-out-sale-of-former-Boston-Albany-line-12529021.php#item-85307-tbla-4
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