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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by daybeers » Fri May 03, 2019 2:58 am

asull85 wrote:The launch of the shuttle extensions to Greenfield has been pushed back to late Summer/early Fall. Some work needs to be done before the trains can start.
https://www.recorder.com/Expanded-passe ... r-25245592
Mullaney and Atwood said the state and Amtrak are still discussing fares, but it appears, at this point, they are not going to change.

“Our legislators are fighting hard for fare equity,” said Mullaney. “So, we’ll see what happens.
Please, if you are a resident of MA, contact your legislators! Tell them this pilot program needs flat fares like how Amtrak converted the Shuttle fares for the opening of the Hartford Line, otherwise it won't succeed!

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Safetee » Fri May 03, 2019 12:16 pm

High fares, low fares, or no fares I'm afraid that the grand experiment is going to be a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. Why? Well, the major reason is that there just isn't this pent up consumer demand in Western Mass to go to the big Apple.

The divine thinking on all this is that now that the Knowledge corridor is up and running at high speed, 70 in places, people in the Pioneer Valley will be hopping at the chance to take advantage of all the additional scheduling.

In the article, you will note that the local planner is opining that the new service will allow the public to travel to New York by train and back in one day. One very long day including 10 hours of train travel. Oh sure there may be a few people out there who will take advantage of that service. But how many people is the question.

By the same token, the article also mentions the fact that the service will facilitate people from NYC who want to go to Greenfield. Well I'm sure there must be at least three of those.

The Knowledge Corridor and connections to NYC is just not the same deal as the Downeaster. People from southern Maine do a lot of travel to and from Boston. And a lot of people from Boston do go to and from southern Maine. The NYC to Greenfield traffic dynamics however, just aren't there.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri May 03, 2019 1:43 pm

Some major target markets that the enhanced service will cater to-business travelers going to day meetings along the NEC, especially NYC. There will be non business travelers who might make a long daytrip to NYC but that’s a long day. Many people who head to NYC might want to make their trip a vacation anyway.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by daybeers » Sat May 04, 2019 11:59 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like it would be a maximum of 8 hours of train travel to NYC from Greenfield.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by east point » Sat May 04, 2019 2:37 pm

What is important is that all slow sections around SPG is that will not slow any service/

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Safetee » Sat May 04, 2019 4:26 pm

According to the amtk schedule lv gfield at 1:36p ar penn 6:25p or 4.75 hours if theyre all on time. throw in the recommended 1/2 hour be there ahead of time for boarding works out to over 5 hours minimum in each direction.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Sat May 04, 2019 4:33 pm

There is probably a lot of sightseeing activities in the Pioneer Valley Region and I heard that the cities like Northampton and Greenfield are very nice towns. People might want to use these trains from points south and west to the Pioneer Valley to enjoy a long weekend of sightseeing, visiting family, and friends. I'm sure that there will be many people who live in Southern Vermont along 91 who might drive all the way to Greenfield for some more rail options. If you live in Southern Connecticut, especially around New Haven and want to spend a weekend in the Northwestern part of the Berkshires in cities like Williamstown or North Adams, you could probably take the train as close as Greenfield.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Safetee » Sat May 04, 2019 7:59 pm

The Pioneer Valley is primarily very rural similar to Vermont and has very little set up for interface with Amtrak especially the way of availability of meaningful connecting public transportation and car rentals.

Are there things to do in the Pioneer Valley? Absolutely but they're not right next door to the train station.

To access towns like Northampton and Greenfield if you don't have friends with a car or you are perhaps a marathon walker, things as they are will get very old very quickly. Now Springfield has tons of cabs, buses, and even MGM has a free bus shuttle trying to scoop up as many gambling train riders as it can.

In Greenfield the " intermodal station" paid for with umpteen million tax payer dollars is owned by the regional transit authority which really doesn't give a rats petootie what happens to Amtrak passengers. In fact, the Oliver station building with the waiting area and rest rooms etc is closed on weekends.

Until proper modal connections are provided, tourism as an inbound rail reality is just not going to float. Obviously that could change with time, one has to understand that in the meantime Amtrak doesn't really care if there's connections or not as long as the state subsidy dollars keep rolling in.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Rockingham Racer » Sun May 05, 2019 6:31 am

Safetee wrote:
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Until proper modal connections are provided, tourism as an inbound rail reality is just not going to float. Obviously that could change with time, one has to understand that in the meantime Amtrak doesn't really care if there's connections or not as long as the state subsidy dollars keep rolling in.
The folks planning the new service to Pittsfield are very aware of this "last mile" concept, and want to make sure that there's good connectivity from the station to the final destination.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Sun May 05, 2019 7:53 am

Greenfield and Northampton Stations, just like many stations, in the Amtrak system will probably have sparse public transportation connections. You probably need a car in those areas anyway, especially if you want to explore the wilderness. It would be nice though if the local bus system can be improved in the towns mentioned above to some extent. Plenty of people who live up there own cars anyway. Even if you get off the train in Springfield, you still can't take the bus everywhere from the station.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Dick H » Sun May 05, 2019 12:37 pm

Greenfield Transit Map. No weekend service
http://www.frta.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... n_FY19.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Northampton Transit Map 7 Days
Click on Northampton Schedules in the top line
College schedules do not run during school breaks.
http://www.pvta.com/schedules.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Sun May 05, 2019 4:01 pm

Well, it looks Northampton has an okay bus system there, especially the route that runs from there to Amherst. When the Vermonter was discontinued from serving Amherst, that probably wasn't a huge loss at all, given the fact that Northampton is very close to there and there are probably many college students who take Amtrak to Northampton. I would not be too surprised if these universities have their own bus routes that bring people to the various downtown areas and train stations. I see that in Holyoke, there are some more PVTA options, especially for those people who are heading to and from Springfield.

From looking at the FRTA, it seems like the service is very infrequent. Plus it doesn't run on weekends. One of these day, I would love to spend a weekend in the Upper Pioneer Valley and would love to visit the trolley museum in Shelburne. I think for that, I would probably end up taking an Uber to get there or I also saw that the museum is also open on Monday.

In terms of predicting whether a lot of college students will use the Amtrak shuttle trains, it depends on what they are using it for. In general, college students like to sleep late and in some cases very late. If they are heading back to visit their families west of New Haven, many of them will probably prefer to take the Vermonter since they don't have to wake up very late. There are probably many college students who might have morning classes on an abbreviated day so that would also be a good reason to take the Vermonter down. The majority of college students who take the shuttle trains will probably use them to head to internships and jobs closer to New Haven and further west but probably as far west of New York City. I'm sure that the internships happen a few times a week. The other cities in Coastal Connecticut like Bridgeport and Stamford have many corporate jobs so you will probably have many people getting off in those cities who are coming from the Pioneer Valley.

The distance from Southern Maine to Boston isn't like from Central Massachusetts to NYC. On the Vermonter, it takes a little under five hours to travel from Greenfield to NYP and from Portland to Boston, it's two and a half hours on the Downeaster. Even commuting from Southern Maine to Boston on Amtrak is still very time consuming and your options are limited, especially heading down to Boston if you have to be at your job there at 8:00.

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Post by Rockingham Racer » Mon May 06, 2019 6:19 am

I went to the website of one of the Five Sisters [as they are sometimes called]. And here is what I found:

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/cbl/pvta-transit-bus" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pioneer Valley Transit also serves Greater Springfield.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Safetee » Wed May 22, 2019 12:32 pm

Apparently state Sen. Joe Comerfords bill to fund a study of east west passenger rail service from North Adams to Greenfield to Boston has just passed the Mass Senate. No question that many communities in North Western Mass and southern Vermont and New Hampshire would welcome some semblance of regular rail service to and from Cambridge and North Station Boston.

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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Post by Traingeek3629 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:36 pm

Most of the people in this thread have obviously never been to Northampton or Greenfield. Northampton has excellent bus connections, a great hiking/biking trail system, and a nice downtown Greenfield, at least the downtown area, isn't really meant for tourists. You wouldn't take a bus to the places people would visit Greenfield for.
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