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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby lirrelectrician » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:43 pm

I think all Amtrak shuttles should be extended either to Boston or points north. Leave the rest to the commuter trains. Maybe even offer through ticketing too.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Dick H » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:32 pm

There will be no extension to Boston, until the state of MA buys the line from
Worcester to Springfield from CSX and puts back the second track that was
removed several decades ago between WOR and SPG.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:58 pm

With EHH at CSX's helm,it will be at a price well beyond fair value for that segment,the "Inland Route" will remain a "pipe dream" unless
CSX goes Bankrupt.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby jp1822 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:39 pm

lirrelectrician wrote:I think all Amtrak shuttles should be extended either to Boston or points north. Leave the rest to the commuter trains. Maybe even offer through ticketing too.


It would be nice if they could at least get one (or two) shuttles extended up to White River Junction. There shouldn't be any investment required to do this since most of the line was just upgraded and updated!!! It's also not a new concept.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby johnpbarlow » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:58 am

Dick H wrote:There will be no extension to Boston, until the state of MA buys the line from
Worcester to Springfield from CSX and puts back the second track that was
removed several decades ago between WOR and SPG.


CSX currently only operates about 14 daily freights east of Springfield, MA:
- Selkirk-PAR/P&W manifest trains Q426 & Q427
- Selkirk-Framingham manifest trains Q436 & Q437
- Autorack loads/empties to/from E Brookfield Q264 & Q263
- W Springfield-Palmer turn local B740
- Intermodals from Worcester Q007/Q017/Q019 and to Worcester Q012/Q020/Q022 eb

Seems like 14 daily freights and half a dozen Amtrak trains (ie, 20 total) should be able share a single track CTC line.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:47 am

lirrelectrician wrote:I think all Amtrak shuttles should be extended either to Boston or points north. Leave the rest to the commuter trains. Maybe even offer through ticketing too.

Wasn't the intent of the State investment to have Amtrak only operate the Vermonter and the Bankers/Connecticut Yankee? The Shuttles simply are outside the scope of RPSA70.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Jeff Smith » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:58 am

The plan a while back according to some knowledgeable members was that Amtrak would skip Wallingford, Meriden, and possibly one of the "Windsors". Thus, the service becomes more express. That would be for both shuttles and regionals, I'm pretty sure.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Kilo Echo » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:06 am

I should think stopping at Meriden—skipping Wallingford and Berlin—would provide better spacing.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Ridgefielder » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:17 am

Pointed this out on the MN forum but-- Berlin has better highway access than Meriden. The CT 9 expressway provides a direct link from the Berlin station to New Britain, Farmington and the Farmington Valley suburbs west of Hartford. The CT-9/I-91 combo feeds in Rocky Hill and Wethersfield. If you're traveling to NY from any of those places, downtown Hartford is out of the way. Think of it as serving (on a smaller scale) the same purpose as Route 128 on the NE Corridor.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby nomis » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:22 pm

Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT
Post by asull85 » 18 Nov 2014, 10:35
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=156555&hilit=Berlin&start=150#p1303553

asull85 wrote:
The EGE wrote:Why the heck would they even bother with 110mph? The station spacing is very close, and the straightest sections are in grade crossing hell at station stops.

The timing of the crossings would be changed to reflect the speed upgrades. Additionally, some crossings are going to be removed. Not all trains will stop at every station.

NH2060 wrote:Plus aren't the Mafersa cars restricted to 80mph?

Yes

NH2060 wrote:IF Amtrak were to only run New Haven-Meriden-Hartford-Springfield (skipping all other current stops) then I can see the reasoning for 110mph. Long term that's what they should do. Regional passengers have to transfer to/from the shuttles @ NHV anyway so it wouldn't necessarily be a "downgrade" to having Wallingford, Berlin, Windsor, etc. be only served by not-as-comfy, but far more frequent commuter rail service. Once the Hartford Line goes online with 16-17 round trips it won't make much sense to have those all 6 shuttle, 1-2 Regional and Vermonter round trips continue to make the same stops that those 15+ (35+ with the eventual full build out) trains will do in spades.

I believe the plan is for the Regionals and Vermonter to make SPG, HFD, BER, NHV. Some shuttles will also stop at WNL, WND, MDN, WFD but not all. It depends on the time of day. There was talk of putting 473/486 back on. Who knows when/if that will actually happen. The Hartford Line commuter trains will stop in SPG, Enfield, WNL, WND, HFD, Newington, BER, MDN, WFD, North Haven, State St, NHV.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Kilo Echo » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:03 am

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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby asull85 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:38 am

I've been hearing some mumbling that the bustituted shuttles will be returning soon and crews may start qualifying to Greenfield.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby gokeefe » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:11 am

Are the shuttles about to get extended?
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Jeff Smith » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:01 am

From the Hartford line thread in MNRR (the part of it that pertains to Amtrak):

http://nhhsrail.com/pdfs/nhhs%20rail%20 ... 0final.pdf

Newsletter Snips (Fair-Use Exception: Government and News Release):

...I am also pleased to report the final stages of Hartford Line station construction. Wallingford and Meriden stations will be completed this fall with State Street station following by years end and Berlin station in early 2018. Existing Amtrak service passengers will be able to utilize the new stations prior to Hartford Line service launch next spring.
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-James P Reddeker


Windsor double-tracking expedited:

Hartford Line Service Launching May 2018

A new date has been set for launch of the CTrail Hartford Line service. Previously scheduled for January 2018, the service will now launch in May 2018. This is a result of the recent allocation of $50 million in state funding to install four additional miles of track between Hartford and Windsor.
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Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Jeff Smith » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:03 am

asull85 wrote:I've been hearing some mumbling that the bustituted shuttles will be returning soon and crews may start qualifying to Greenfield.


Greenfield. Interesting. MA find some money?
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