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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby gregorygrice » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:37 pm

Arlington wrote:What's the difference between a quiet zone (which I think of as a place that has no horns at all), and a grade crossing that has a wayside horn, and a grade crossing where the train sounds its horn?

I live near a crossing that was long grandfathered but when that waiver expired and the trains had the sound all horns it was unbearable, and my city immediately spent something like a million dollars to restore the peace.


All current Quiet Zone crossings that aren't grandfathered in have to have wayside horns. The wayside horn constantly blows a crossing sequence on loop the whole time the gates are down. Compare that to a normal crossing where a train just blows one crossing sequence.

In the case of Meriden the people there were getting annoyed with the constant sounding of the wayside horn and opted to just have them turned off.


In my opinion quiet zones crossings are useless and dangerous. The horn is on the train for a reason.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby Ridgefielder » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:15 pm

TomNelligan wrote:
"It's intolerable at this point," Lareau said from his backyard overlooking railroad tracks. "Trains are going constantly. 24 hours a day."


Sounds like the poor guy bought a house and then they suddenly constructed a brand-new railroad next to it. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who should know what they're getting when they decide to live next to tracks. And I write as one who lives a couple hundred feet from a very active commuter rail line.

This guy lives under the landing pattern for Bradley International. Parsons Road is 3 1/2 miles from the runway.

https://goo.gl/maps/bLoHoPG9wT52

He's got B737's coming over <1,000' off the deck but his problem is the train horn?
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby gregorygrice » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:54 pm

Don't forget the odors from the sewage treatment plant next door too!
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby Traingeek3629 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:49 pm

I have no sympathy for that guy whatsoever. Millions of people live less than 100 yards from an active railroad , and yet the area around only HIS house deserves a quiet spot? That is absurd. If you don't like train horns, don't live 50 feet from a railroad.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:50 pm

He acts like it was an abandoned line prior to Hartford line service...
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby asull85 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:24 pm

I've never enjoyed blowing the horn for Bridge Lane and Parsons Road more than I do now. :-D
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby jamoldover » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:21 pm

gregorygrice wrote:
Arlington wrote:What's the difference between a quiet zone (which I think of as a place that has no horns at all), and a grade crossing that has a wayside horn, and a grade crossing where the train sounds its horn?

I live near a crossing that was long grandfathered but when that waiver expired and the trains had the sound all horns it was unbearable, and my city immediately spent something like a million dollars to restore the peace.


All current Quiet Zone crossings that aren't grandfathered in have to have wayside horns. The wayside horn constantly blows a crossing sequence on loop the whole time the gates are down. Compare that to a normal crossing where a train just blows one crossing sequence.

In the case of Meriden the people there were getting annoyed with the constant sounding of the wayside horn and opted to just have them turned off.


In my opinion quiet zones crossings are useless and dangerous. The horn is on the train for a reason.


A slight correction - the wayside horn is a non-quiet zone way for a municipality to get some reduction in the sound, since the horn is aimed at the roadway, and therefore isn't required to be as loud. A quiet zone is exactly that - no horns at all, but in exchange, the crossing has to have 4-quadrant gates and barricades to prevent traffic from using the wrong side of the road to get around the gates (and maybe some other things, too).
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby Traingeek3629 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:11 pm

You are an engineer asull85?
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby lordsigma12345 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:06 pm

ACSES is operable on the Springfield Line as of this morning.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby Arlington » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:56 pm

What are the practical benefits of ACSES here (higher speeds?)
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby lordsigma12345 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:21 pm

None that I know of but this corridor has enough traffic now where PTC is mandatory.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:28 pm

PTC (ACSES) has little to do with speed, the track class does. PTC is required on any track were a passenger train can encounter other traffic or were hazmat is being transported.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby asull85 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:23 pm

There is a washout from todays heavy rain combined with the snow melt with temperatures in the mid-50's today. 148 will be terminated in New Haven. One shuttle will run to Windsor Locks as 478. Two shuttles are stranded in Springfield, one of which is sick. 141 will originate in New Haven tomorrow. It is unknown what trains, if any will run on Friday.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby gprimr1 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:33 pm

After a long wait, I finally got to see the Hartford Line and all the changes made to the CT River Line and Vermonter. My thoughts

The CTRail stations look really nice. Clean and Professional. I'm surprised though they didn't include heated shelters like Metro North and LIRR.

The new Amtrak stations in Greenfield, Northampton and Holyoke also look nice. Northampton and Greenfield are a bit minimalistic, though I think the wood frame fits with the theme of New England and the Pioneer Valley. The Greenfield Transportation center was also a nice addition. Holyoke station looks nice, but there's just not much there. None of the stations seem to have much parking but at least Greenfield and Northampton have good bus service.

Springfield...WOW! I lived in MA in 2005-2006 and I remember when that was an abandoned building. That station is beautiful. It looks like there is still some work to do though. Amtrak is still operating out of Lyman Street. The big beautiful sign in the station does not display Amtrak arrivals or departures. It looks like also they are getting a high-level platform.

I still see Hartford is a single track mess, but I saw that they may have to move the entire station, so I'd say it makes sense not to waste money double tracking the station, only to rip it up.

I got to see the Vermonter do it's thing at Springfield. I still think there HAS to be a better option and I still think it involves paying CSX to add a switch between Columbus and Main St to allow East Bound trains to go from 1 to 2 east. The Vermonter could then go from 2 to 2A. Then you have a few options. Either go back onto 2 and use the switch from CSX to Amtrak, or build a west side connection between 2A and the Amtrak main track. The first option is cheaper, but the second option lets you minimize time fowling CSX's main. It just seems a much faster and more sustainable solution, esp if you want to run additional service north of Springfield, or if you really wanted to go for broke, restore that old platform on the North/South line and connect it to Springfield station via a long, secure, underground tunnel.

All and All I was amazed to see what they've done with the line. Next time I'd like to ride the Vermonter on the new CT River line. Just gotta figure out how not to have it take up a whole day.
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Re: Amtrak Springfield Line Shuttle/Regional/Greenfield/Inla

Postby gokeefe » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:22 pm

I had no idea there was ever a north-south platform. Thanks for the heads up and your report. Amtrak is indeed getting a Hugh level platform.
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