Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfliner

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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby Alcochaser » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:01 pm

Hmmm, I know where there are several brand new never used talgo sets needing a home.
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby Woody » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:46 pm

Alcochaser wrote:Hmmm, I know where there are several brand new never used Talgo sets needing a home.

"And all of the other railcars,
used to laugh and call them names,
they never let these poor Talgos
play in their Wisconsin games.
But then one foggy Xmas Eve..."
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby Tom6921 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:25 am

Any idea if the Pacific Surfliner proposal has gone ahead or will the sets continue to stay at Beach Grove. If they were rejected, perhaps Amtrak could use one set to replace what was lost in the recent derailment.
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:22 am

That move was scuttled by a lack of a shop to maintain the sets,both could wind up in the PNW after 1 car in each set is modded for business class service.
A Talgo tech rides on each train to tend to minor onboard fixes enroute.
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby OrangeGrove » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:01 am

It is my understanding, which may well have changed multiple times since, is the deal to use the Wisconsin Talgo sets in California is not dead yet, and remains a possibility. Whether the Washington wreck could change these plans is certainly open to speculation.

What is even more certain is that it is much too soon to write off the complete Mt. Adams set as "destroyed", which it almost certainly is not, at least in whole. It really comes down to how much time and money someone cares to spend repairing the cars. I would expect those which remained on the bridge - not hanging off or down the embankment - to be in the best shape, but there may not be any determination or repair estimates yet; Certainly I know of nothing which has been made public. It is pure speculation, but with the handful of spare cars for the Northwest (and possibly a couple spares which also exist for the Wisconsin sets) and the salvagable wrecked cars you could conceivably cobble together a repaired Mt. Adams.

But the whole point may be moot as the wrecked set will be held for litigation purposes for likely several years, and the Cascades corridor will need replacement equipment in the near term.
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby BandA » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:11 pm

perhaps with the higher operating costs of the Talgos, and that they are already down a set, that they aren't going to buy the WI talgos
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby Woody » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:26 pm

BandA wrote:perhaps with the higher operating costs of the Talgos, and that they are already down a set, that they aren't going to buy the WI talgos

Between Seattle and Portland, with "hundreds of curves" on the route, the Talgos save 25 minutes (vs Superliner equipment on the Coast Starlight).

Washington spent $850 million+ of Stimulus money to upgrade that line for better speed and reliability and more capacity. Nobody is going to change to cheaper equipment to go 25 minutes slower. Maybe on the Oregon segment, but not on the trunk line service.
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:31 pm

I’d be surprised to see any of Mt. Adams’ cars in passenger service again. Nothing against their build quality, but between the two Wisconsin sets still ready to use (assuming California hasn’t committed, which it doesn’t appear to have), the severity of the wreck having likely caused unseen damage even to cars that stayed off the highway, and the Talgo’s monocoque construction making a repair more involved than just a coat of Bondo, it’s probably cheaper for the states to get something else. Mr. O’Keefe’s suggestion of a favorable-rate lease is a great one, and I hope the relevant organizations take that route.
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Re: Wisconsin Talgos Disposition - MI and now Pacific Surfli

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:45 pm

Figure on the Charger remains and the Mt Adams talgo set remains to be in legal limbo untill the Lawsuits are settled between the victums
and Amtrak/WSDOT/Sounder Transit/and BNSF as contract operator.
For all practical purposes,the CalTrans pickup of the WIDOT sets should have been done and in service already.
The talks stalled and been "back burnered" after the swap out of the 3rd gen Cali Bi-levels to the Seimens "Brightline" single level cars.
The Quickest "fix" is for WSDOT/ORDOT to pick up and convert as needed the 2 sets at Beech Grove now.
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