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Wingnut wrote:Well, thanks for adding a little perspective on the ACS’ troubles vs. other equipment. I appreciate that everything has issues. But when is the point reached that issues go from being manageable to declaring something more trouble than it’s worth? Overall, this thread makes it sound like we’re very close to if not beyond that point.
Milepost 110 wrote:A railfan site known as On Track Online has 647 listed as wrecked as of August 2018. Does anyone know what happened to it?
http://on-track-on-line.com/amtkrinf-am ... bers.shtml
ApproachMedium wrote:I havnt a clue and id love to know where this came from. Theres two outside wilmington that dont appear to be wrecked i forget the numbers theres one wrapped shoved in the no mans land in wilmington thats the 627 and 601 is in bear
Amtrak706 wrote:Wingnut wrote:I’m the kind who usually reserves judgement. And that’s just what I did with the Sprinters until now.
Lemons! They bought another batch of freaking LEMONS!
Except for the AEM-7, EVERY electric locomotive Amtrak ever bought has been a failure. And now SEPTA is stuck with a fleet of these losers too. Unbelievable.
The issues described here sound more like a result of the ridiculously incompetent management we all know exists at Amtrak. Issues with door seals and other minor components are possible to fix with a combination of actually listening to crews and then following a decent engineering process. ApproachMedium or others in the know please let me know if I am wrong, but I have not heard anything about major components on these units regularly failing to the point where they are not able to go out on the road, which in my mind is what would constitute a lemon.
ziggyzack1234 wrote:I only think it's proper to call something a lemon if after a few years problems just can't be worked out like the HHP-8. As others have said, even our favorite locomotive the AEM-7 have had issues. Once it's issues were worked out it became one of the greatest locomotives ever built. The ACS-64 has quite a few minor issues but as a locomotive, it runs just fine.
Speaking of the HHP-8, there had to be some reason Amtrak labeled them lemons and dumped them while MARC is trying to make them not lemons (MARC this year ran one for almost a month straight without notable issue).
ThirdRail7 wrote:ziggyzack1234 wrote:I only think it's proper to call something a lemon if after a few years problems just can't be worked out like the HHP-8. As others have said, even our favorite locomotive the AEM-7 have had issues. Once it's issues were worked out it became one of the greatest locomotives ever built. The ACS-64 has quite a few minor issues but as a locomotive, it runs just fine.
Speaking of the HHP-8, there had to be some reason Amtrak labeled them lemons and dumped them while MARC is trying to make them not lemons (MARC this year ran one for almost a month straight without notable issue).
Well spoken. Things will get better....I hope.
As for the HHP-8s being labeled lemons, it has to do with parts and funding. Not unlike most of Amtrak's equipment, there aren't a lot of manufacturers of spare parts. This can get expensive. However, funding appeared for the ACS-64s, so it was decided to buy enough to cover the AEM-7s and the HHP-8s. This makes sense.
However, if the ACS-64s weren't ordered, the HHP-8s and both classes of AEM-7s would still be in service. Maybe not all of them, but most of them would operate. After all, what choice would they have?
Amtrak706 wrote:Thirdrail, good to see you are still here and posting. I want to see if I can better understand something though - why is it that automatic shutdowns due to component failure make the locomotives “too smart” for their own good?
David Benton wrote:Why doesn't someone just glue the door seals on , with something like JB weld plastic , or similar?
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