Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby BandA » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:16 am

Hmm... a HSR startup that might have to wait for equipment, or that is starved for capital, might operate on a short-med term basis.

Or use the shells for housing/restaurants
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:19 am

BandA wrote:Or use the shells for housing/restaurants


This is the correct answer. :wink:
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby JimBoylan » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:39 am

Doesn't anyone make razor blade factories anymore that could be use old Acelas as raw material?
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby bostontrainguy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:00 pm

JimBoylan wrote:Doesn't anyone make razor blade factories anymore that could be use old Acelas as raw material?


Ocean reefs?
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Ridgefielder » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:22 pm

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:
BandA wrote:Or use the shells for housing/restaurants


This is the correct answer. :wink:

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Gillette
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby mtuandrew » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:23 pm

Ridgefielder wrote:1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Gillette

Mexico? Not unless they’re going to the tin can factory.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby David Benton » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:01 am

mtuandrew wrote:
Ridgefielder wrote:1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Gillette

Mexico? Not unless they’re going to the tin can factory.

There was a planned high speed line, between Mexico City and Querétaro. I think I have seen pictures of catenary.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Matt Johnson » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:24 am

David Benton wrote:
mtuandrew wrote:Mexico? Not unless they’re going to the tin can factory.

There was a planned high speed line, between Mexico City and Querétaro. I think I have seen pictures of catenary.


Chile?
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Arlington » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:16 am

In any electrified application, Acela will be easily inferior to a proven Euro, Japanese, or Chinese consortium offering complete turnkey financing, power systems, engineering, maintenance, and unbeatable life cycle costs and reliability.

HSR is a system, not a trainset, and needs a living industrial system to stand behind it.

No system operator will create a win for it's government sponsors by proclaimig "I got a bargain on these dead end systems that there's no manufacturer offering long-term support or a clear expansion/upgrade path for"
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby gokeefe » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:48 pm

I completely agree with Arlington.

In terms of the "disposition" aspect of this topic it seems there are two choices, RR Museum of Pennsylvania and Gillette.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby Matt Johnson » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:03 pm

Living along the North Jersey Coast Line, I kind of wish they'd find a second life in express Long Branch - NYC service! :)
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby RRspatch » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:10 am

David Benton wrote:
mtuandrew wrote:
Ridgefielder wrote:1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Gillette

Mexico? Not unless they’re going to the tin can factory.

There was a planned high speed line, between Mexico City and Querétaro. I think I have seen pictures of catenary.


What you saw were the catenary poles from the i'll fated Mexico City to Querétaro electrification that was put up by NdM back in the late 80's early 90's. The 25Kv system used E60's for both passenger and freight and only ran for a few years. When Mexico privatized NdM in the late 90's the line was sold to KCS who promptly pulled down the wire and sold the E-60's. Only a short stretch of wire was left up running north of Mexico City for commuter service.

The proposed high speed line between Mexico City and Queretaro was to be a new build High Speed Line. The crash in oil prices put and end to that dream.

Below is an old thread from the Mexico Forum at Skyscraper City concerning the proposed high speed line -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1771745

Supposedly a Chinese firm won the bid to build the line but was then disqualified for some reason. By the time the bidding was to restart the crash in oil prices put an end to the plans.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby David Benton » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:45 am

Thanks, I was in Mexico in the late 80's, they were probably my own photos.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby BandA » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:58 pm

Although a HSR system startup on a shoestring is theoretically possible, I was thinking again that if capital is really tight, you build a standard speed system, then upgrade to 110MPH diesel(?), then go to an electric system. What 110MPH systems are looking for upgrades, not including Amtrak lines?

Can't remember if I suggested it previously, but could scrap the power cars & reuse the coaches with diesel. Would require some type of custom adapter? to deal with the wheel arrangement. Then the coaches would have to compete with the auction market for high-level passenger cars & their maintenance costs. End-of-life Acela coaches presumably would be maintained in better condition than any other single-level high-boarding only cars that are on the scrap pile at the time. Then problems would be maintaining unicorn trucks & semi-permanent coupling.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Postby east point » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:00 pm

[quote="BandA"]Although a HSR system startup on a shoestring is theoretically possible, I was thinking again that if capital is really tight, you build a standard speed system, then upgrade to 110MPH diesel(?), then go to an electric system. What 110MPH systems are looking for upgrades, not including Amtrak lines?
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The shoestring budget must include enough funds for ROW to meet HSR track configurations. Otherwise once a rail line is built the obvious build up along the line will make ROW costs 10 times as much. The big elephant is preventing grade crossings from ever being built or proper ROW acquisition allows for later grade crossing elimination. If alignments are HSR capable then the upgrades will be easier as long as it is engineer correctly at first
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