Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Line)

Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

Moderators: GirlOnTheTrain, gprimr1, Amtrak67 of America, Tadman

Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby shadyjay » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:13 pm

The Conn River Bridge (Holyoke) caught fire a year or two ago. I was on the NB train which was held south of the bridge for a little bit, until they gave us clearance to cross it, and when we did, it was at a reduced speed. Luckily we were able to cross, and it didn't require any service disruption (ie-bustitution), but it is a "relatively new" speed restriction that cropped up post-rebuilding.

FWIW, there's a thread in the Pan-Am forum called "Conn River Line" which is probably where we should be talking about this, as we're north of the Springfield Line at this point.
User avatar
shadyjay
 
Posts: 1983
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:08 pm
Location: Warren, VT

Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Train60 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:23 pm

shadyjay wrote:FWIW, there's a thread in the Pan-Am forum called "Conn River Line" which is probably where we should be talking about this, as we're north of the Springfield Line at this point.

Good point. Maybe one of the moderators can move the recent off-topic posts over to viewtopic.php?f=55&t=76506&start=1545
Train60
 
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:31 pm
Location: New England

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby shadyjay » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:01 pm

Did a roundtrip on the Vermonter this past weekend, as part of my trip to ride the Amtrak Autumn Express. Southbound was delayed for a while, as follows: several slow orders after leaving Waterbury, SB, more so than usual. Then more slow orders from Montpelier to White River Jct, mostly due to the rock ledges. I'm not sure what's being done about this, but I did notice what looked like some rock ledge excavation at one point or another. I know the slow orders were as a result of the derailment a couple years ago, but are the slow orders something we're going to have to live with? It's a bummer to be going along at 59 MPH then slow down to 10 MPH then back up to speed, then slow down again.

South of WRJ to Windsor was mostly at speed, except one or two slow spots.

The NH side of the "Conn River" was in great shape, hitting 79 mph for several sections.

Between Bellows Falls and Brattleboro, we were at 30 mph for a good portion of it, per an announcement due to tie replacement. We did hit 59 or 79 mph in one section briefly, then back down to 30.

The connection from the NECR to PAS at East Northfield was definitely faster than my trip on the route last Christmas. Back then it was 10. I didn't do a speed check over it this time, though.

The Mass. portion of the Conn River we moved along at a descent clip, again hitting 79 mph mostly between Greenfield and Northampton. Some sections between Holyoke and Springfield we also were up to (at least) 50 or so but slowed down around the I-91 overpass.

No delays crossing CSX at all. Southbound, we didn't stop until we hit the reverse direction point by the old mail facility. And we were off the advertised, too. Good job, CSX!

Disclaimer: speeds indicated above were from my phone's speedometer app and are approximate)

Still not sure what's going on around Holyoke station where there are still signals turned sideways and new track construction that hasn't been completed. There's also something going on around Bernardston (2nd track?) and stacks of ties laid out between Northampton and Deerfield. Is a 2nd track reactivation planned for somewhere towards Deerfield? Looks like there was some work on the old siding there. Finally, Springfield station has a new track north of CSX Track 1 (future Track 3 or 5?) that is not connected to the main. There's also open platform canopies and the old stairways/elevators removed on two of the platforms. I'm not sure why the existing stairways/elevators couldn't be saved and just "stepped up" to meet the future high level platform height.
User avatar
shadyjay
 
Posts: 1983
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:08 pm
Location: Warren, VT

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby gokeefe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:09 pm

shadyjay wrote:I'm not sure why the existing stairways/elevators couldn't be saved and just "stepped up" to meet the future high level platform height.


Probably because they no longer met code.
gokeefe
User avatar
gokeefe
 
Posts: 9835
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:28 pm
Location: Winthrop, Maine

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby CVRA7 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:18 am

The temporary "track 3" at the Springfield Union Station was a "shoefly" track used during rehab construction over the pedestrian subway downstairs. They've had water leakage problems for years from over the subway, so there was a lot of excavation in the area to hopefully repair this problem.
CVRA7
 
Posts: 670
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Along the Canal Line

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby sullysullinburg » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:58 am

Have they ever though (or previously had) a baggage car on this route? I feel like it could increase ridership espically in the winter with people wanting to bring their skis and snowboards.
Please check out my Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClziKJ ... 2M7jJlSZsw
sullysullinburg
 
Posts: 21
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:32 am

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby gokeefe » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:23 am

There was at one time and it even had its own special Vermonter vinyl decal.
gokeefe
User avatar
gokeefe
 
Posts: 9835
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:28 pm
Location: Winthrop, Maine

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:46 pm

Here we go, Messrs. O'Keefe and Sullenberg:

https://goo.gl/images/xQ5ond
Last edited by Gilbert B Norman on Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Gilbert B Norman
 
Posts: 12900
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:52 am
Location: Clarendon Hills, IL (BNSF Aurora Sub; MP 18.71)

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby Backshophoss » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:27 pm

Will need a lot of body work at frame level to deal with the "Rust Cancer",an air brake rebuild and a truck rebuild to regain an Amtrak certification.
The car was pulled when the funding was gone,M&E 180/AMTK 1802 was believed to be the last smooth side Heritage Baggage in Amtrak service
Backshophoss
 
Posts: 4585
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:38 pm

The route will have the opportunity to get bag service back with the Amfleet procurement. Ethan Allen Express will already gain future baggage service by default since it'll gain a Metroliner cab when it begins reversing in Rutland for the Burlington extension next year. The Metroliner-replacement cab cars will come in a default cab-bag-coach configuration with half-size baggage room excellent for bikes and skis. To compensate Eastern states with non- push-pull routes who also want baggage space there'll be an optional custom-order livery for the regular coaches to chop out half the seating for the same type of baggage room as the cab cars. Those will probably be dead-last in the 600-car delivery sequence on the option end of the order, so many years away even if they cue up that RFP soon. But VTrans ought to be able to get their hands on a couple of those cheaply for the Vermonter/Montrealer. Especially if New York State ends up ordering a whole fleet of coach-bags to equip all Empire non- push-pull routes and provides some ordering scale for that custom config.


Alternatively, Amtrak still has 70 unexercised options on the V2's that won't have the clock ticking on being picked up or passed on until whatever century CAF finishes the main order right through to the bag-dorms and supplemental sleepers. As much as Amtrak may hold its nose today at the prospect of CAF malingering around a couple more years, any huge shifts in timescale for the salvage job on that Midwest PRIAA procurement affect the timetable for the Superliner III procurement. They may find it good business to just pick up some of the extra V2 bag options while the contract is active to save some grief through 2025 when the Midwest...then Superliners...take turns suffering dire fleet shortages while the replacement plans are in disarray. After all, the V-Bag product so far has been high-quality even if the manufacturer's punctuality hasn't been. So the Vermonter could end up regaining its full-bag almost by accident if extra V2's are ordered to ease the pain from the royal mess Sumitromo and Nippon-Sharyo made of the official Fleet Plan, should those options provide any sort of straightforward net-positive means of easing some acute pressure points on fleet availability. They still have a good 12-18 months before needing to make any final-final decisions on what to do with those 70 options, so their willingness to take on any extra V2's still has to go through the meat grinder that is hashing out the details...and timetable...for the salvage job on the Midwest/Cali order. Anything could come on or off the table as that saga twists and turns so options in-hand, even if it's [*sad trombone*] CAF, are assets for figuring their way out of that conundrum.
F-line to Dudley via Park
 
Posts: 7197
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:26 pm
Location: North Cambridge

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby lordsigma12345 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:05 pm

Has anyone heard when they will be starting platform construction at Springfield, MA? I keep hearing Spring is when the work is going to be done but nothing definitive. I did hear recently that Amtrak will have some contractors on site to fit out their new space in the Union Station intermodal center in the next couple months. Not sure if that means they are planning to move in sooner rather than later. Originally before the new station opened I had heard that Amtrak's date of moving into Union Station was tied to the completion of the platform as they didn't want passengers to have to backtrack.
lordsigma12345
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:05 pm

Re: Springfield Line Upgrade in CT

Postby Jeff Smith » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:57 pm

Train60 wrote:
shadyjay wrote:FWIW, there's a thread in the Pan-Am forum called "Conn River Line" which is probably where we should be talking about this, as we're north of the Springfield Line at this point.

Good point. Maybe one of the moderators can move the recent off-topic posts over to viewtopic.php?f=55&t=76506&start=1545


Done. :-D

Vermonter discussed here: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Line)

Pan Am Connecticut River line discussed here: Connecticut River Line (Pan Am)

Hartford Line (CtDOT) operations discussed here: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS
Next stop, Willoughby
~Jeff Smith (fka "Sarge") :: RAILROAD.NET Site Administrator
Jeff Smith
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7444
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 am
Location: MP 67.2 Georgia Southern Railway

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby Kilo Echo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:57 am

lordsigma12345 wrote:Has anyone heard when they will be starting platform construction at Springfield, MA? I keep hearing Spring is when the work is going to be done but nothing definitive. I did hear recently that Amtrak will have some contractors on site to fit out their new space in the Union Station intermodal center in the next couple months. Not sure if that means they are planning to move in sooner rather than later. Originally before the new station opened I had heard that Amtrak's date of moving into Union Station was tied to the completion of the platform as they didn't want passengers to have to backtrack.

Alas, encumbrances abound. In addition to the unresolved six-inch ADA deficiency, the canopy design doesn't appear to jibe with the historical commission's vision. Will we ever see a new Platform C?
Mind the gap
Kilo Echo
 
Posts: 37
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:54 pm

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby lordsigma12345 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:23 pm

Hopefully they will do something before the service expansion starts. The current setup is an eyesore.
lordsigma12345
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:05 pm

Re: Amtrak Vermonter (Montreal Greenfield Boston CT River Li

Postby gokeefe » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:58 am

They appear to be focused on the ticketing and office space last I was there (within the past four weeks). That area had contractor activity on the weekday I was in the facility.
gokeefe
User avatar
gokeefe
 
Posts: 9835
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:28 pm
Location: Winthrop, Maine

PreviousNext

Return to Amtrak

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 9 guests