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Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby Jeff Smith » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:13 pm

It ocurred to me reading this article that we don't have a Gateway topic, just an ARC topic in NJT. And that topic simply won't die. So without further ado:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... FG20120928

The so-called Gateway project, which would cost as much as $13.5 billion, would increase rail capacity between Newark, New Jersey's Pennsylvania Station and Manhattan's Pennsylvania Station.

Federally run Amtrak and New Jersey Transit share two 100-year-old tunnels under the Hudson River. Delays are common because of high over-use.

Amtrak's engineers say the only place to bring the new tunnels into Manhattan is under the Hudson Yards site in West Midtown, according to Schumer, a Democrat. He spoke at a breakfast sponsored by the New York Building Congress, a trade group.

A plan by developer Related Companies for the Hudson Yards site foresees construction of a residential, shopping and office complex over the site's active rail yards. Construction is to start by the end of this year.

"We will need contracts, design plans and construction dollars to flow over the next six to 12 months to make this a reality," Schumer said of the rail project. He wants the digging of the tunnels to start before the end of 2013.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby neroden » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:14 pm

May the political winds be with Schumer on this.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby 25Hz » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:22 pm

Not a fan or supporter of the west side yard project. I feel its sole purpose is to justify Moynihan.

I will say, that this is a far better project than ARC. I'm just sad we can't get 1-4 through to the east river tunnels. That would be HUGE.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby morris&essex4ever » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:48 pm

I know projects like these have to go through studies to see how it affects the environment, how to build, etc... but sometimes it gets ridiculous spending millions on studies for 10+ years and getting nothing constructed. Maybe we should ask the French, Swiss or Japanese to build the tunnels for us? They can get things built fast(compared to here at least) without having to cut corners and have shoddy construction.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby goodnightjohnwayne » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:33 pm

neroden wrote:May the political winds be with Schumer on this.


Any "political winds" regarding the Gateway project are emanating from Chuck Schumer's own mouth, which is open 24/7/365.

This project has no real support in Congress and Schumer is the only one still bumping his gums. Truth be told, the real problem is that NJT is just running too many commuter trains into NYP, but the tunnel project is beyond the means of NJ, and even NY and NJ together. It's not an Amtrak or a Federal issue, except that during the financial difficulties of the last decade, Amtrak allowed NJT to run too many trains into NYP.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby Patrick Boylan » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:00 am

If those trains were empty I'd agree with your twice mentioned "too many". Are there passengers on the trains NJT runs into Penn Station? If so, why do you say there are too many trains? What do you expect those former passengers to do if someone stops running the trains because there are too many?
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby Jeff Smith » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:16 am

I didn't like ARC, but this project needs to get done. I'm with Chuckie on this one, and I think everyone knows how I feel about Chuckie. Otherwise, it's time to take cars of the lower deck of the GW and put trains in :-) (Bobby Moses is rolling over in his grave somewhere).
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby nomis » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:42 am

Jeff, just build the 3rd level, the true lower level of the GWB for transit :-)
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby Jeff Smith » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:03 am

I knew that! I've got a link somewhere.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby Ken W2KB » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:04 am

Patrick Boylan wrote:If those trains were empty I'd agree with your twice mentioned "too many". Are there passengers on the trains NJT runs into Penn Station? If so, why do you say there are too many trains? What do you expect those former passengers to do if someone stops running the trains because there are too many?


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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby morris&essex4ever » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:40 am

Patrick Boylan wrote:If those trains were empty I'd agree with your twice mentioned "too many". Are there passengers on the trains NJT runs into Penn Station? If so, why do you say there are too many trains? What do you expect those former passengers to do if someone stops running the trains because there are too many?

Bring the businesses and corporations to Hoboken, Jersey City and Newark and have people commute to those places?
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby andegold » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:57 am

morris&essex4ever wrote:Bring the businesses and corporations to Hoboken, Jersey City and Newark and have people commute to those places?



This is the acceptable answer. Solves Amtrak's problems. Saves billions. Adds billions to New Jersey's tax revenues.
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby joshuahouse » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:09 pm

That may be an acceptable answer for New Jersey. Not so much for New York. Why not just have them all commute to Philly or Wilmington?
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby morris&essex4ever » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:33 pm

joshuahouse wrote:That may be an acceptable answer for New Jersey. Not so much for New York. Why not just have them all commute to Philly or Wilmington?

Long commutes?
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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

Postby amtrakowitz » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:00 pm

neroden wrote:May the political winds be with Schumer on this

Schumer is merely a latcher-on. His preferred way of getting from New York to Washington DC is flying.
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