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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby mandealco » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:32 pm

That's very sad. I had a cab ride in the 1280 in 1985. Laura & I are hoping to be back in the area next year, and I was wondering if she had escaped the scrapper, so I could take some more photos for modeling purposes.

In a related question, when the c-425m's were delivered, they had a blower (?) bulge on the engineer's side of the long hood. These seem to be absent from recent photos. Anyone know what the bulge was for, and why they were removed?

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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby thebigham » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:43 pm

thebigham wrote:High St crossing of the rail-trail in St Johnsbury:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=St.+Johns ... 0,9.1&z=17

Remaining Mt. Vernon St bridge abutment:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=St.+Johns ... ,9.24&z=17

Removed Mt. Vernon St bridge abutment location:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=St.+Johns ... ,4.62&z=17


Whoops! Wrong thread! Sorry.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby mandealco » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:14 am

Hi
No worries. The subject is scrapped Alcos. The LVRC had a few scrapped that would have past this spot numerous times.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby thebigham » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:29 pm

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36121

Hello, my name is George Marsh and my father and I used to own an Alco S3 located in South Boston. This is BRT No 0409. It is with great sadness that I report that the locomotive was illegally cut up by the city. Despite it's looks No 0409 was by no means abandoned. My father and I just have not been able to afford to move it.

We tried to sell it to the Downeast Scenic Railroad but they did not act quickly enough. It is not their fault the locomotive was cut up. The city came in with no warning onto the property and started cutting. The worst part is that the property belongs to Massport NOT the city of Boston. No 0409 was my Dad's pride and joy and our family is truly heartbroken by the loss. I joined this forum specifically to share this news with you guys. I feel that you should know. I hope events like never happen again and I will do what I can to help ensure this.

Thank you, George Marsh

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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby mandealco » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:45 pm

A feel for your loss, and the loss to all Alco fans around the world. That is indeed very sad.

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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby Petz » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:37 pm

@George; unfortunately i´m not fit in the american laws. Here in Austria the city would be in very big troubles in this case when they cut up the Alco illegally and if we can be sure that Massport never got a removing incitement by the authority.
In this case the city did a juristic called intentional damage at your loco and therefore they had to restore the previous state you had.
This means that the city of Boston had to care for that a technical similar Alco S3 in the same condition and colour will be situated at your place again. How they will do it is their problem and the worst case for them could be that they had to engage a loco builder to produce a new S3 after the old drawings if they would not be able to find a used loco for that purpose.

But even here you had to engage a specialized lawyer to win this justice battle against an authority.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby thebigham » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:36 pm

Sandy Burton reports:

"The M&E has started scrapping the M420 #3562 at Morristown. Beginning is a relative term since it has been a parts unit for some time. Should be all gone in a couple of weeks, so I am told."
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby therudycometh » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:39 pm

CN M420W #3562 is no more.

CP C424 #4231 and Erie Mining RS11 #7205 are in line to be scrapped in the next two weeks, along with Amtrak FL9's #486 and 487.

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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby CREEPING DEATH » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:15 pm

therudycometh wrote:CN M420W #3562 is no more.

CP C424 #4231 and Erie Mining RS11 #7205 are in line to be scrapped in the next two weeks, along with Amtrak FL9's #486 and 487.

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Y'all bored or what? I thought 7205 was a runner...

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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby thebigham » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:38 am

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=476484

Among locomotives sold by RRPX to C&K Scrap Metal was Morristown & Erie C424 4231, a former Canadian Pacific locomotive. On April 3 it was being scrapped in Morristown.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby Allen Hazen » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:03 pm

In the photo Thebigham linked to (previous post), the in-process-of-scrapping 4231 is shown next to the 19, "one of M&E's two active C424". 4231 is in faded CP colours, whereas 19 is in M&E red. Note also the different number series. Did M&E ever use the 4231, or did they buy it as a parts donor?
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby mandealco » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:22 pm

Hi
4231 was originally numbered 21 on the M&E when it first went into service at Bayway. Not sure when it was renumbered, but it also did a stint on the old Octoraro in Pennsylvania when the M&E operated that line for a short time. May have been used elsewhere as well.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby therudycometh » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:20 am

7205 is pretty much gone as of about 4 seconds ago.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby mandealco » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:39 pm

Sadly, the Alco/MLW clean out continues on the M&E. Former Erie Mining RS-11 7215, and Former CP Rail C-424 4216 have both been scrapped. For memory, this leaves only the faithful 18 & 19, plus former CPR 4204 on the property. RS-1 # 21 is at the WRM.

To all our friends on the other side of the planet, have a happy 4th of July.
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Re: Scrapped Alcos

Postby traingeek8223 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:10 pm

The frustrating thing about this situation is that about two years ago, I sent someone looking to pick up a couple of ALCOs to the M&E/RRPX to inquire about the OOS C424s. The response they got was "None are for sale. We are going to fix and use everything we have." Seems like there could have been some sort of market for these even as projects. Oh well. Sad to see the last Northern Pacific RS11 go to the torch (7215).
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