What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby alcodoc » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:22 am

I'll add my three cents worth.........I manage the daily operation of 20 plus Alco locomotives of almost every model. I can assure you that finding parts are not a problem. Of course there are certain items that may/can be difficult to obtain. Some GE items were not a high mortality part might be tough to purchase simply because they did not fail very often and not many spares were made. Even 244 parts are available, some engine parts might require a few phone calls to find, but they are out there. Many parts are common to all models and many parts interchange with 244 powered locomotives. For example, we needed the "friction plate and bolster sleeve" for our C636. The OEM to Alco is still doing business and gladly made the parts for us. They even recognized the Alco part numbers! Many companies that supplied parts and material to Alco are still in business!

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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby alcodoc » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:22 am

I'll add my three cents worth.........I manage the daily operation of 20 plus Alco locomotives of almost every model. I can assure you that finding parts are not a problem. Of course there are certain items that may/can be difficult to obtain. Some GE items were not a high mortality part might be tough to purchase simply because they did not fail very often and not many spares were made. Even 244 parts are available, some engine parts might require a few phone calls to find, but they are out there. Many parts are common to all models and many parts interchange with 244 powered locomotives. For example, we needed the "friction plate and bolster sleeve" for our C636. The OEM to Alco is still doing business and gladly made the parts for us. They even recognized the Alco part numbers! Many companies that supplied parts and material to Alco are still in business!

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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby mandealco » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:55 am

Thanks for the informative post Don. Thanks to skilled folks like you, we may see operational Alcos around for many more years. Or at least till I can come back to the USA to see some again.
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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby mikado-2-8-2 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:49 pm

I see a distinct link or pattern between a defunct locomotive builder a defunct auto maker, Alco & Studebaker which by the way were at one time corporately intertwined in ownership. Studebaker you can still get any part you want, even though they quit making cars around the same time Alco quit building locomotives in the US. A lot of the parts are used, remanufactured or NOS although more reproduction parts are being made as the NOS parts are finally depleted as demand is still there. As long as there is a market, someone will fulfill the need. All you have to do is look at the prohibition era in the US, it made millionaires out of two bit criminals that barely had $20.00 to their name before. The key is demand, if someone wants the product and is willing to pay what someone selling it for can make a decent profit for the item whether it is NOS, remanufactured or new than it will be available. If not then you have reached the end of the line. Nothing lasts forever.
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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby airman00 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:01 pm

Well by that logic, then as long as there are operational alco's still out there... then there will be a need for parts. The more remaining alco's that get sent to pasture the less need for parts. Let's hope a few old oos alco's get repaired and put back into service.
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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby daylight4449 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:52 pm

mikado-2-8-2 wrote:I see a distinct link or pattern between a defunct locomotive builder a defunct auto maker, Alco & Studebaker which by the way were at one time corporately intertwined in ownership. Studebaker you can still get any part you want, even though they quit making cars around the same time Alco quit building locomotives in the US. A lot of the parts are used, remanufactured or NOS although more reproduction parts are being made as the NOS parts are finally depleted as demand is still there. As long as there is a market, someone will fulfill the need. All you have to do is look at the prohibition era in the US, it made millionaires out of two bit criminals that barely had $20.00 to their name before. The key is demand, if someone wants the product and is willing to pay what someone selling it for can make a decent profit for the item whether it is NOS, remanufactured or new than it will be available. If not then you have reached the end of the line. Nothing lasts forever.

True... As far as the 244 engines go, you're starting to run out of luck. 539s... Well, the Russians built thousands more for nearly all of their early diesels as the Penza 2D50. Same thing, although I'm curious on how closely compatible the parts are. 251s are fine for the time being. Maybe with some of the industrial 3D printers that are coming onto the market (that can work with different metals), one could start to deal with some of these parts shortages...
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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby scharnhorst » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:49 am

daylight4449 wrote:
mikado-2-8-2 wrote:I see a distinct link or pattern between a defunct locomotive builder a defunct auto maker, Alco & Studebaker which by the way were at one time corporately intertwined in ownership. Studebaker you can still get any part you want, even though they quit making cars around the same time Alco quit building locomotives in the US. A lot of the parts are used, remanufactured or NOS although more reproduction parts are being made as the NOS parts are finally depleted as demand is still there. As long as there is a market, someone will fulfill the need. All you have to do is look at the prohibition era in the US, it made millionaires out of two bit criminals that barely had $20.00 to their name before. The key is demand, if someone wants the product and is willing to pay what someone selling it for can make a decent profit for the item whether it is NOS, remanufactured or new than it will be available. If not then you have reached the end of the line. Nothing lasts forever.

True... As far as the 244 engines go, you're starting to run out of luck. 539s... Well, the Russians built thousands more for nearly all of their early diesels as the Penza 2D50. Same thing, although I'm curious on how closely compatible the parts are. 251s are fine for the time being. Maybe with some of the industrial 3D printers that are coming onto the market (that can work with different metals), one could start to deal with some of these parts shortages...


Not much info out there but The TEM's are still in service in Ukraine. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are retiring what's left of the Soviet built TEM's and buying up a lot of old GE diesel units most notably former Conrail units being sold off be CSX and some Ex Union Pacific units.
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Re: What does the future hold for Alco locomotives?

Postby renrut44 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:38 am

Production of 251B engined Alco locomotives continues in India

1012-13 Annual report for DLW http://www.dlw.indianrailways.gov.in/wo ... 13__2_.pdf

Page 44 13 Export locos completed in 2012-13
49 new type Alco conrods
52 development of high efficiency turbocharger
109 orders in hand for Alco loco production 2013-14, total of 31 units

Production of Alco blocks is due to be moved from Varanasi to the Golden Rock Workshops at Tiruchirappalli, to clear room for 16 and 20 Cylinder EMD production at Varanasi, which is ramping up

This is a new build 3'6" gauge 3300HP unit in Mozambique
https://www.flickr.com/photos/youthwith ... 1615966313
https://www.flickr.com/photos/youthwith ... 1615966313

2013 build for Bangladesh
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 0514_n.jpg
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