Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

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Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

Postby kaitoku » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:32 pm

Patrick Kron, chief executive of French engineering group Alstom, has triggered a spat with Siemens by suggesting that the German group may have inadvertently allowed key technical know-how to leak out to Chinese companies through a high-speed trains partnership.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Kron said Alstom had been careful not to engage in China in joint ventures or collaborations that involved giving up in any meaningful way technology that could be useful to a Chinese partner.


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Re: Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

Postby RickRackstop » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:29 am

Zut alors! It seems that the French better understand the phrase "Chinese copy" than the Germans. Also the Germans may want to run that risk to squeeze the French out of the market.
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Re: Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

Postby Ozone » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:13 am

kaitoku wrote:
Patrick Kron, chief executive of French engineering group Alstom, has triggered a spat with Siemens by suggesting that the German group may have inadvertently allowed key technical know-how to leak out to Chinese companies through a high-speed trains partnership.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Kron said Alstom had been careful not to engage in China in joint ventures or collaborations that involved giving up in any meaningful way technology that could be useful to a Chinese partner.


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No matter what the germans or th french decide, China will have its own way...
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Re: Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

Postby electricron » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:42 am

RickRackstop wrote:Zut alors! It seems that the French better understand the phrase "Chinese copy" than the Germans. Also the Germans may want to run that risk to squeeze the French out of the market.


Maybe the reason why Alstom didn't sell HSR technology to China is because they lost the bids. :) We might be hearing Siemens stating the same if they had lost the sell to them instead.

The French are very good at publicly turning a bad thing into a good, and vice versa. Sour grapes!

Meanwhile, German workers and corporations earned money making trains for China. And people wonder why Germany is in better economic shape than France?
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Re: Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

Postby kato » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:56 am

electricron wrote:Meanwhile, German workers and corporations earned money making trains for China. And people wonder why Germany is in better economic shape than France?

Technically Alstom has significant factories in Germany since they bought up a couple German companies over the last two decades. Their entire Coradia regional train and their light rail portfolio is produced in Germany. Cars for ICE trains (Alstom produces the restaurant cars for ICEs) and other "HSR" including 200km/h cars and locomotives too btw.
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Re: Alstom in spat with Siemens re. China HSR

Postby Fan Railer » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:00 pm

electricron wrote:
RickRackstop wrote:Zut alors! It seems that the French better understand the phrase "Chinese copy" than the Germans. Also the Germans may want to run that risk to squeeze the French out of the market.


Maybe the reason why Alstom didn't sell HSR technology to China is because they lost the bids. :) We might be hearing Siemens stating the same if they had lost the sell to them instead.

The French are very good at publicly turning a bad thing into a good, and vice versa. Sour grapes!

Meanwhile, German workers and corporations earned money making trains for China. And people wonder why Germany is in better economic shape than France?


In short, the French are sore losers who should probably lose a few more contracts to the competition before they're put in their place, ie. the Eurostar contract.
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