Pictures of FDR's train on the CNJ?

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Pictures of FDR's train on the CNJ?

Postby CLamb » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:15 pm

Do any of you folks know of any existing pictrures of President FDR's train travelling on the CNJ?
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Postby BaltOhio » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:42 pm

The "normal" trips between during the time FDR traveled between Washington and his home at Hyde Park, NY, (actually detraining at Highland, NY, on NYC's West Shore line) came through NJ in the middle of the night both ways, so it's unlikely that photos exist. Essentially, the schedule was to leave DC around 8-9 PM and arrive at Highland in the morning, with the reverse move following approximatelythe same times. But surely there must be photos of campaign trains and other special trips done in daylight.
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Postby CarterB » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:09 am

Assuming FDR took the B&0/CNJ routing from DC....how/where did they make the transition to the West Shore?
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Postby BaltOhio » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:19 pm

CarterB wrote:Assuming FDR took the B&0/CNJ routing from DC....how/where did they make the transition to the West Shore?


Using the northbound run as an example, the train left the CNJ at Claremont and used the National Docks RR to a junction with the NYC's freight line that ran between Weehawken and the PRR in Jersey City. (Part of this line is now the Hudson-Bergen LRT.) NYC power was sent down from Weehawken to take the train north from Claremont.
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FDR's train

Postby steveiow » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:40 pm

In Morning Suns Trackside around Allentown there are some pics of Trumans campaign train of 1948-don't know if thats any use.
Sorry about the late post-I only just saw it
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Roosevelt's Train

Postby Trainbuff109 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:23 pm

I got a DVD about Grand Central Station last Christmas and in this National Geographic produced film, there is mention that there exists possibly a railcar that FDR's train used to transport his limo to a secret railspur under the Waldorf Astoria hotel. At the underground railspur, a secret enlarged elevator was used to lift the limo and FDR to street level for his visits to NYC.
I wonder if any research was done to authenicate this railcar to the Presidential Train that FDR had used during the war years. It is quite possible that this railcar could have traveled over the CNJ!
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Postby CarterB » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:51 pm

According to dutchrailnut "http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38101&highlight=waldorf

"its a 1944 troop sleeper converted to express boxcar It has been in GCT since about 1950, first under Waldorf Astoria as silverware storage car later given to railroad for storage of computer paper, now its used as office ..."

So the NG crew took a few liberties with that "mystery car". Never, ever a part of FDR's train consists AFAIK.
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Cities of the Underground: New York

Postby danpetitpas » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:59 pm

If you catch the New York episode of the History Channel's Cities of the Underground, the show takes you under the Waldorf-Astoria for a look at the hotel's "secret train station." FDR's armored rail car was left there after his death and it has the marking of "MNCX 002 (MW)" on it. The show also goes far below Grand Central Terminal and shows the secret electrical distribution station called M42 which is actually several times larger than the Grand Central concourse above. Railroad buffs should track down the episode because a good chunk of the show is dedicated to exploring these two spots.
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Postby BaltOhio » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:48 am

A prime example of how a legend becomes truth by repeating it enough. And why not, since the trutrh is so prosaic compared with the legend?
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Postby CarterB » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:29 am

DOH!!!
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