L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

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L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

Postby trainwayne1 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:00 pm

Does anyone have an idea of what the interchange patterns were between the Susquehanna and the L&NE at Hainesburg? Did the L&NE deliver coal that went east on the NYS&W? Was any westbound bridge traffic turned over to the L&NE and if so, where was it forwarded too? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

Postby njmidland » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:14 am

I don't have types of interchange, but a L&NE document I have says that 8894 cars were interchanged with the NYS&W at Hainesburg Jct. in 1959. This represented a little over 5% of the L&NE's total interchange that year.

I would be curious to know what if any interchange there was at Sussex before the Hanford Branch was abandoned in 1958.
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Re: L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

Postby Minneapolitan » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:27 am

Here's the bigger question for me: Why didn't the L&NE and the Susquehanna MERGE??

With a deepwater port in New York harbor, the cement plants (and earlier, the anthracite collieries) served by L&NE could ship their product worldwide. Over eighteen miles of the L&NE main was trackage rights over a track that essentially went nowhere on its own. Just consolidate! I've never understood how the original NYS&W ever survived. Their tracks barely went anywhere.
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Re: L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

Postby Statkowski » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:32 am

The NYS&W survived because they owned a tunnel in Weehawken, New Jersey that the New York Central's West Shore Line needed.
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Re: L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

Postby Statkowski » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:58 pm

Over eighteen miles of the L&NE main was trackage rights over a track that essentially went nowhere on its own.


Not quite nowhere. At one time the NYS&W crossed the Delaware River over its own bridge and continued on to Wilkes-Barre, Pa. via its subsidiary, the Wilkes-Barre & Eastern. Anthracite for the New York City area was big business, but the NYS&W got into it too late in the game. The Pennsylvania trackage was first abandoned while the NYS&W still serviced Columbia, N.J., but the L&NE overhead traffic was what kept that portion of the NYS&W alive.

The interchange point at the western end of the NYS&W section enabled the NYS&W to get just a little bit more revenue from their portion of the car's travels. Actually, if the car was destined to go from the L&NE to the NYS&W, even if the L&NE handled the car between Hainesburg Jct. and Swartswood Jct., the NYS&W would still be entitled to its full share of the revenue, but then the L&NE would have a claim for doing the handling, and then the bookkeeping gets a whole bunch more complicated. For the bean counters, Hainesburg Jct. was easier to deal with.
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Re: L&NE and NYS&W interchange freight

Postby phoebesnow » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:20 pm

Statkowski wrote:Anthracite for the New York City area was big business, but the NYS&W got into it too late in the game.


I disagree. The NYS&W was just in time. It's Wilkes Barre & Eastern, Susquehanna Connecting, and several isolated branches were fairly straight forward with out the branches and other distractions its competitors had. Essentially a direct line from the coal to Edgewater and then less than a mile to rich retail customers on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

The Erie was not too happy that this upstart could grab a large hunk of the business at a fraction of the cost compared to the larger systems. That's while J.P. Morgan bought up the NYS&W stock and leased it to the Erie. Early in the 20th century, the Erie diverted most of the coal traffic away from the WB&E. By the time of the NYS&W's bankruptcy in the late 1930's, there wasn't anything left on the WB&E to keep it open. In fact, before an independent trustee was named for the Susquehanna (Walter Kidde), the Erie managers thought that the entire NYS&W should just be abandoned.
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