L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

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L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:10 pm

Hello,

I am looking for images and/or specs of the L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks, particularly those that the Middletown & Unionville Railroad later owned. I am in need of data about these locomotives and images showing what they looked like for a modeling project. I do have a copy of Doug Barberio's excellent Middletown & Unionville Railroad book, which features an image of one of the Camelbacks that the M&U owned.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby Paul Miller » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:45 pm

Hi Walter,
do you have the Ed Crist/John Krause books on LHR, or Jim Boyd/Tracy Antz book? I'm almost positive they have some camelbacks in them. I will check when I get home about some spec sheets I may or may not have. According to Marty's website, LHR #'s 23,32, and 33 were the ones that went to Middletown and Unionville R.R.
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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:34 pm

Hi Paul,

I have neither of those L&HR books you mentioned.

I greatly appreciate the information you have given me.

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby Paul Miller » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:02 pm

If you live near Warwick, I'm pretty sure the library there (Albert Wisner) has the aforementioned books. I'll be home in a few hours and will search for any specs.
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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:10 pm

Hello,

I use to live near Warwick and spent many hours at Albert Wisner library, but not any more, as I have moved away from the area.

Thank you for offering to look up the locomotive specs for me.

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby Paul Miller » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:40 pm

A few specs for you Walter,
Camelbacks #'s 23,32, & 33 built in 1907 by Baldwin, cyls=21X26, wheel drive = 64, weight = 153,400lbs, LHR #23 sold 11/22/22 to M&U which became their #2,
LHR #33 sold october 1924 to M&U-became their #3, LHR #32 sold October 1927 to M&U-became their #4.
There's a nice shot of #23 in the Boyd/Antz book on page 54. Incidently, any Camelback numbered 23-34 would be the pics you can look for. If you give me your e-mail address I may be able to get some to you.
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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:16 pm

Hi Paul,

Thank you for the very helpful information that you provided me.

I did find a photo of L&HR #23 at http://www.northeast.railfan.net/lhr_rstr.html.

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:21 pm

I found images of M&U #2, #3, and #4 appear on page 10 through 11 of the online M&U book available at http://books.google.com/books?id=Zu9Ls_ ... &q&f=false

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby Paul Miller » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:24 pm

Walt,
a few more specs:
Steam Pressure-200 lbs.
Grate Area 81.6 sq. ft.
Heating surface-1862 sq. ft.
Weight on drivers-123,150 lbs
Tractive force-30,450 lbs.

that site you just mentioned is great! should give you plenty to work with
good luck and keep us posted

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:25 pm

Referenced on page 11 of Doug’s book, the M&U purchased #4 on September 1, 1924 and sold the locomotive on December 1, 1927.

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:30 am

Paul,

A good broadside shot of L&HR #23 would be further helpful.

Thank you,
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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby Paul Miller » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:22 pm

Hello again Walt,
Actually the pic I have of #23 is the same as on the railfan site, and it's the same pic in the Boyd/Antz book.
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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:36 pm

Hi Paul,

Thank you for your help.

Do you have any other information as to the dimensions of the L&HR 4-6-0 Camelback in regards to the length or height of the locomotive, the boiler size, and driver diameter?

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby walterconklin » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:40 pm

Hi Paul,

I forgot to ask the following question. Do you know if the L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks had slide valves or piston vales?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: L&HR 4-6-0 Camelbacks

Postby Paul Miller » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:19 pm

Walt,
if the driver size refers to wheel size, it would be 64 inches in diameter as stated above. I'm not very good with actually knowing about the engines, more of a building and station kind of guy! All the info I gave you I quoted from an article about the camelbacks, none from my knowledge. Marty, some help here?
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