New Haven Belle Dock

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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby Ridgefielder » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:46 pm

bwparker1 wrote:
TomNelligan wrote:Yes, Connecticut Southern handles the through traffic between West Springfield and Cedar Hill, and the Conrail/CSX terminal operation in New Haven has been an isolated island for a couple decades now. I have to presume that CSX makes money off their Cedar Hill business since otherwise they (or Conrail before them) wouldn't have kept it when the Shore Line East freight was spun off to P&W. CSX serves the two surviving freight customers at Mamaroneck and Darien out of Oak Point, and runs no through freights between Oak Point and Cedar Hill. Customers in West Haven and thereabouts are handled by a Cedar Hill crew. P&W got the Belle Dock line from Conrail, ran down there before all the construction mess began, and will serve any future customers that appear in the harbor neighborhood.

Thank you Tom and boatsmate. Everything more or less makes sense now, although I guess I don't understand the building of this new branch to the dock by the City of New Haven, or was there an old spur before that was ripped out at some point? From Aerial imagery, there seems to be quite a bite of track down along there, and clearly all of the track is not new, but my contact sent me a photo of a brand new track that terminated at a gate fence, encased in a concrete crossing, which is high $$$$.

I think there's been track down to Belle Dock from basically the dawn of railroads in CT in the 1830's. IIRC the Belle was a Long Island Sound steamer on the New Haven - New York run before the Civil War
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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby CannaScrews » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:45 am

An abbreviated reply on the history of Belle Dock.

Starting on the East side of the Forbes Avenue bridge, originally, the spur went into the New Haven Terminal yard north of Forbes Ave.
The spur heading south served various wharves and terminated at the old coke plant (they gassified coal to turn it into coke (solid carbon)).

Here is an aerial view from 1949 which will give you an idea of how much business was there. The tracks ran on the Forbes Ave drawbridge at the time.

BTW Belle Dock was on the West side of the Quinnipiac River.

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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby ebtmikado » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:00 pm

There was track building equipment on the Waterfront Street trackage this past week. I was on the highway bridge, and unable to see what work was being done.

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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby fl9m2004 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:10 pm

Is there a schedule because every time I go up 95 I don't see any trains or cars there
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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby ebtmikado » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:14 am

There has been service down there since at least 2013, when I snapped photos.
Videos from last week to follow shortly.
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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby ebtmikado » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:26 am

VIDEOS on the Belle Dock Branch from last week:

Switching on the Belle Dock 8/4/2015

NH-1 crossing the Tomlinson Bridge 8/13/2015

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Belle Dock Branch Activity

Postby ebtmikado » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:32 am

Traffic on the Belle Dock Branch in New Haven has picked up to a level where it currently being served 3 times per week or so, by NH-1, which has been reestablished as a regular job.
Here is a video of NH-1 switching the branch on August 4:

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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby craven » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:41 am

What do those odd shaped CSX Rail cars hold? I've never seen anything like that.
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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby BobLI » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:57 am

The CSX cars carry coiled steel. The covers on the car protect the coils in transit from getting contaminated and rusting.
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Re: Belle Dock Branch Activity

Postby MEC407 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:03 pm

Excellent video! Very nice camera work and editing.
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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby johnpbarlow » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:57 pm

On Saturday Feb 27, the GRWO had about dozen cars of steel billets and rebar interchanged fro Pan Am that were destined for the Gateway terminal at Port of New Haven. Any ide where this steel originates?
P&W GRWO Steel Billets for Gateway Port of New Have Gardner 022716 small.jpg
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Re: New Haven Belle Dock

Postby YamaOfParadise » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:01 pm

Actually, the April issue of Trains magazine has an article on the P&W, and it does mention quite a bit about different traffic:
Gondolas, carrying steel "billets" from several producers in the eastern U.S. and Canada, arrive on the P&W through various interchanges and make their way to Gateway Terminal in the Port of New Haven. Gateway is a deepwater marine terminal operator that stores and delivers the incoming lengths of steel to local finishers that produce rebar and steel rods. Some of those same gondolas leave New Haven with imported Asian steel that arrives there by water.

Not exactly a proper location of what producers particularly, but it gives you a good ballpark.
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