What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

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What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Fan Railer » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:13 pm

This could be a likely result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY0qxDWV_xE

Pulling from these two previous threads,
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=57090&start=90
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.ph ... 6&start=15,
and the recent completion of the NJT version of the ALP-46, I present to you a repainted ALP-46 with full custom Amtrak Livery (AEM-7, HHP-8, AND ACS-64 hybridized design) for OpenBVE and assorted consists to operate it with, including Surfliner trains and Amfleet trains. (More info below download links)

Openbve info: http://obts.wikia.com/wiki/OBTS_Wiki

Download the train pack here: http://www.mediafire.com/download/y4qi4 ... k_V1.0.rar
To install, simply drag the folder named Amtrak ALP-46 from the zip file to your pre-existing ALP-46 folder.
The original ALP-46 Pack V1.0 is here: http://www.mediafire.com/download/7hdac ... _Exteriors)_V1.0.rar
Some routes to run it on:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/27112 ... n_Pack.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9r6tf ... e_Pack.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/979jh ... s_Pack.rar
http://www.bveklub.hu/sellye-pecs/
http://www.mediafire.com/download/nq3wg ... lyomvar.gz
http://www.trainsimstuff.org/network-west-midlands
http://www.bvefrance.fr/projets-francophones/ltsj

I tweaked the operating specifications to suite Amtrak's needs for high power and performance (Note the advanced wheel slip control system at 35:55 in the video):
Power system: 25 kV / 60 Hz ; 12kV / 25Hz ; 12.5 kV / 60 Hz
Axles arrangement: Bo'Bo'
Service weight: 100 t
Starting tractive effort: 325 kN
Continuous tractive effort: 260 kN @ 89 km/h ; 115 kN @ 201 km/h
Braking effort: 240 kN @ 96 km/h - 4 km/h
Rated power (Max): 6400 kW
Rated power (Continuous): 6000 kW
Brake power (Continuous): 6000 kW
Allowed top speed: 201 km/h
Designed overspeed: 217 km/h
Gauge: 1435 mm
Length between couplers: 19900 mm
Distance Between Bogie Center: 10950 mm
Bogie Wheel Base: 2650 mm
Vehicle Width: 2950 mm
Wheel Diameter (New): 1118 mm
Height (Over Pantograph): 4489 mm

Be sure to refer to the operating tips provided in each individual train's info file. Enjoy =)
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:47 am

Don't you get it ???
Amtrak will not buy Bombardier products, so no "would have should have could have"
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby george matthews » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:23 am

Don't you get it ???
Amtrak will not buy Bombardier products, so no "would have should have could have"


What is their objection to this company?
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby ST214 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:53 am

One word.....Acela.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby george matthews » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:39 am

ST214 wrote:One word.....Acela.

Is that an answer to my question? What is their objection to Acela? Presumably Bombardier followed Amtrak's specifications. I agree that from the point of view of railways outside the US Acela is too heavy and clunky. But is that Bombardier's fault?
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:54 am

It is always a wonder how any of these computer simulations present their landscapes in such a pristine condition. On my Microsoft Train Sim, you'd swear that the NEC runs through 'yonder fields of tasseled corn' rather than the gritty side of life as is the case, save some mileage through CT And MD.

Now regarding Amtrak relations with Bombardier, in a political world it is best to 'never say never', however, I'm willing to bet that only Bombardier submitted anything resembling a bid for the now-cancelled forty additional Acela cars. It could well have been a 'sucker bid' and Amtrak simply said (possibly wisely) forget it, opting to live with what they got for their remaining service life, then contract for 'what we really want'. But in the meantime, Acela has unquestionably established that there is demand for a higher speed, premium priced service within the Corridor and that there is public acceptance of the 'approaching Air Shuttle' fare level.

So far as Bombardier equipment, I've been on enough of their rail equipment, including Acela, over the years, flown on enough Bombardier aircraft, and even once was on a Snowmobile (once was enough, thank you). Hey, I'm here to tell you all about it.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:03 am

Amtrak and Bombardier parted in ugly terms due to HHP problems and maintenance of Acela, Amtrak was forced to cancel maintenance contract and assume all maintenance.
Amtrak openly stated not to want to deal with Bombardier anymore, now and in future.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Patrick Boylan » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:03 am

There were some days even Brutus and Caesar didn't get along, but they finally buried the hatchet, didn't they?
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby morris&essex4ever » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:14 am

I understand Amtrak's problems with the Acela and HHP's but the 46 has proven to be very reliable in the ~10 years it's been in service.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Fan Railer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:37 am

DutchRailnut wrote:Don't you get it ???
Amtrak will not buy Bombardier products, so no "would have should have could have"

You know, this is a simulation, where anything and everything is possible. Is is possible to share some inspired hard work and effort without you assuming something and turning it into a snipe fest?
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Jersey_Mike » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:38 am

morris&essex4ever wrote:I understand Amtrak's problems with the Acela and HHP's but the 46 has proven to be very reliable in the ~10 years it's been in service.


It's called Game Theory. If Bombardier never suffers any ill effects for supplying a bad product then why should Bombardier or any other Amtrak vendor ever supply a good product? Amtrak is signaling to all its other vendors that if they mess around and sell Amtrak lemons then Amtrak will blacklist them.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:05 am

and I may very well be, that Amtrak did buy the superior product, after all the EuroSprinter is one of most successful locomotives in Europe.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Jersey_Mike » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:44 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:and I may very well be, that Amtrak did buy the superior product, after all the EuroSprinter is one of most successful locomotives in Europe.


Things get lost in translation. The RTG Turboliners and BB 36000 class worked significantly better in France than in North America.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:11 pm

maybe, but the ALP-46 still does need to be beefed up to make it equal to ACS-64.
your two examples were killed in US by our great track conditions that equal European industrial track.
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Re: What If Amtrak Had Bought the ALP-46 and Beefed It Up?

Postby Jersey_Mike » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:20 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:maybe, but the ALP-46 still does need to be beefed up to make it equal to ACS-64.
your two examples were killed in US by our great track conditions that equal European industrial track.


You're one to point fingers Mr Metro North :-P

Poor track conditions is an accepted part of the North American rail reality. Assuming that somehow the American public will support higher transportation taxes to improve the situation is wishful thinking at best.
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