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Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby Jeff Smith » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:19 pm

The deal includes building, maintaining, and operating the line for 12 years. Guess oil pays (something we should consider with some of the new technologies like shale, etc., and Keystone Pipeline).

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http://www.rail.co/2012/01/17/talgo-to- ... rail-line/

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A Spanish consortium, led by Talgo and Renfe has signed a contract for a high speed rail line connecting Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

The contract is valued at €6.9 billion.

The contract involves the construction, operation and 12 year maintenance of the Haramain High Speed Rail line.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby george matthews » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:04 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:The deal includes building, maintaining, and operating the line for 12 years. Guess oil pays (something we should consider with some of the new technologies like shale, etc., and Keystone Pipeline).

Cross-posting to Worldwide....

http://www.rail.co/2012/01/17/talgo-to- ... rail-line/

Brief, fair-use quote:

A Spanish consortium, led by Talgo and Renfe has signed a contract for a high speed rail line connecting Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

The contract is valued at €6.9 billion.

The contract involves the construction, operation and 12 year maintenance of the Haramain High Speed Rail line.

Just a note to mention Saudi interest in railways. They don't seem interested in general traffic needs. I have seen the eastern line which appears to have little freight and not a lot of passenger traffic. (I once rode from the eastern terminus to the oasis station, and back by bus, the only journey permitted by my residence permit.) The western lines would be entirely, or almost entirely, for passenger traffic - the large numbers of pilgrims to the various religious sites on the Red Sea coast. Quite possibly there would be several trains a day.

The pilgrim traffic would be entirely end to end and therefore I would not expect any intermediate stations, other than for technical reasons. I have not heard anything about the state of construction since the original announcement.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby Jeff Smith » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:47 am

Railway Gazette

Not sure if this is related to the original deal or not, but it does have Talgo and Saudi Arabia in common....

Saudi Railways Organization cancels Talgo order

SAUDI ARABIA: Saudi Railways Organization has announced that ‘following the reassessment of our rolling stock needs’ it has decided not to proceed with an order for six 200 km/h Talgo diesel trainsets for use on the Riyadh – Dammam line.

The US$201m contract was announced on February 12 but will not now be signed, SRO said on July 15. A final decision regarding a new tender will be made once SRO’s internal analysis of its needs is finalised.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby george matthews » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:14 am

Jeff Smith wrote:Railway Gazette

Not sure if this is related to the original deal or not, but it does have Talgo and Saudi Arabia in common....

Saudi Railways Organization cancels Talgo order

SAUDI ARABIA: Saudi Railways Organization has announced that ‘following the reassessment of our rolling stock needs’ it has decided not to proceed with an order for six 200 km/h Talgo diesel trainsets for use on the Riyadh – Dammam line.

The US$201m contract was announced on February 12 but will not now be signed, SRO said on July 15. A final decision regarding a new tender will be made once SRO’s internal analysis of its needs is finalised.

I wonder if the current low price of oil is causing the Saudis to have budget problems?
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby lpetrich » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:11 am

Saudi HS line "on schedule" for 2017 opening | International Railway Journal
"I think we can open the entire line by 1 January 2017 and we have caught up with the delays," Renfe chairman and CEO Mr Pablo Vázquez told IRJ at the UIC High-Speed Rail World Congress in Tokyo on July 8, adding that Saudi Railways Organisation (SRO) plans to open the 320km section between King Abdullah Economic City (KAEC) in Rabigh and Medina earlier than the remainder of the line to Mecca.

Rabigh is on the Red Sea about halfway in between Mecca and Medina.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby george matthews » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:37 am

The 'extreme climate' mentioned consists of high temperatures and high humidity in the coastal area. But almost never any rain. On the way from Jeddah to Makkah the edge of the humid zone can be felt when travelling on the road. At the transition point the edge of the humid area is plainly detectable. Going towards the sea one can notice the air change and one feels sweaty. I used to travel by taxi from Taif - high above Jeddah - and noticed the change. Going up it was a relief to get out of the humid air; going down the change was not so pleasant. How this would affect train operation I have no idea.

But I have noticed several newspaper articles about the budget problems Saudi is experiencing with the low price of oil.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby philipmartin » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:54 pm

A very interesting post about extreme climate; giving us information about that part of the world.
To be less serious, I feel sorry for those zillionaire Saudis and their budget problems.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby David Benton » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:04 pm

I think the Zillionaires will make sure they get by , perhaps without an extra silver plated Porsche this year. no doubt it will be the ordinary people that will suffer.
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Re: Talgo to Build Saudi Arabian Rail Line

Postby george matthews » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:36 am

The incompetence of the government is normally covered up by the budget surplus. Now that there is no surplus - quite the reverse - it may be interesting to see what may happen. The overthrow of the regime, followed by Libyan style chaos, would be "interesting".
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