Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

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Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby johnthefireman » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:48 am

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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby philipmartin » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:02 am

Interesting story. Apparently the train picked the switch, to use North American parlance.
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby george matthews » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:42 am

I think the event was caused by the splitting of responsibility for the track and trains when British Rail was foolishly broken up from a daft ideological notion.
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby philipmartin » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:15 pm

george matthews wrote:I think the event was caused by the splitting of responsibility for the track and trains when British Rail was foolishly broken up from a daft ideological notion.

"Privatzation:" pseudo free enterprise.
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby ExCon90 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:48 pm

Apparently the entire EU has been seized by a similar mania for separating infrastructure from operations.
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby george matthews » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:10 pm

ExCon90 wrote:Apparently the entire EU has been seized by a similar mania for separating infrastructure from operations.

Indeed. There is some kind of Directive requiring the splitting of railway companies into the two entities.
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby ExCon90 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:09 pm

Does anyone know the origin of this Received Wisdom in the EU that separation is the way to go?
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby george matthews » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:19 pm

ExCon90 wrote:Does anyone know the origin of this Received Wisdom in the EU that separation is the way to go?

I think the purpose of the policy is to allow the operating companies - the wheel users - to compete with each other. I think this is a notion thought up by theoreticians without much or any practical experience.
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby ExCon90 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:49 pm

...so they learned nothing from the British experience. (I think I read that back when privatisation was under discussion Margaret Thatcher told John Major not to push it.)
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Re: Grayrigg derailment… ten years on

Postby JayBee » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:26 pm

Well it all depends on what Country you are talking about, compare France and Germany. In both countries the Infrastructure is theoretically separate from the National Railway. In France you have no Independent Railway Regulator and no competition for the provision of passenger services so the per train mile cost of operating non-TGV trains is 10-20% higher than in Germany where there is a lot of competition to operate Regional and Commuter services.
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