Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby David Benton » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:51 pm

Quite perceptive of you , Philip, Many have questioned the same thing in New Zealand railfan circles. There will be a "SMALL" number of direct job losses, electric catenary control etc , some specialist maintenance fitters for the EF fleet. but I think what the union wanted was for the EF locomotives to be rebuilt in the Hutt workshops, NZ's last big railway workshop. It seems these workshops may be under threat , because new diesels won't need as much service as old ones, and the EF rebuild would have delayed that.
Other than that , perhaps the union saw the publicity the transport minister was getting from his purchase of 2 new leectric cars, and decided to jump on the bandwagon. It is also a slow news time in NZ , most people are on holiday , and they will cover any story fed to them .
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby philipmartin » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:30 am

Thank you, David, for the information, and previously for the Wiki article on the DJ locomotives. The article you linked to has links to other articles. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politic ... trunk-line
In it we read that Labour's transport spokeswoman Sue Moroney says among other things that "...KiwiRail will still have to keep an electric current going through the overhead lines for security at a cost of $3m per annum." Apparently folks will steal the wires if they are not live.
It also says that "Unions would be consulted before the phase-in began, as a "small number" of jobs would be affected."
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby philipmartin » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:31 pm

Three trucked locos-class EW electrics were articulated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zea ... locomotive
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby David Benton » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:23 pm

They were quite a successful locomotive. The bogie shared between 2 bodies idea was also used in the "fiat railcars", ordered about 5 years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_RM_class_(88_seater)
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby philipmartin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:09 am

In North America some TTX flatcars share a bogie between two cars. I was watching freight movements near Harrisburg, PA, a few months ago and noticed it on several pairs of cars. TTX cars carry highway trailers and containers. If I remember correctly, some BMT subway cars in New York City had a bogie between pairs of cars too.
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby johnthefireman » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:05 am

Sharing of bogies between cars is actually very common. It was found on Gresley rolling stock in the UK at least as far back as the 1930s. I've seen it on old South African carriages. Eurostar train sets have shared bogies. Many modern flat wagons for carrying containers have shared bogies, as Philip mentions, in USA, Europe and Africa. Some are made up into permanent sets of five or six wagons with shared bogies between all the wagons and single bogies only at each end of the consist.

I think shared bogies on locomotives is much less common.
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby NorthWest » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:44 pm

FS in Italy is the only other major user I can think of. A couple of the prototype SBB RE6/6 had hinges but it was not carried over into production.
They're still considered one Bo+Bo+Bo locomotive.
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby David Benton » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:13 am

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... wires.html
KiwiRail to spend $2m per year on unused wires
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby David Benton » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:09 am

It appears the decision to ditch the Electrics is flawed.
Seems Kiwirail have mafe a decision based on what they wanted to do , rather than what the studies showed was the best plan .
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=103115
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby george matthews » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:30 am

The rise in the CO2 content of the atmosphere is causing increased storm damage - as seen in the Caribbean recently and elsewhere. Electric transport is therefore necessary.
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Re: Electric freight train service to end in New Zealand

Postby MCL1981 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:19 pm

george matthews wrote:The rise in the CO2 content of the atmosphere is causing increased storm damage - as seen in the Caribbean recently and elsewhere. Electric transport is therefore necessary.

Are you going to troll the entire forum with this complete non-sense? You have no evidence and are citing laughable anecdotal BS.
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