NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby pdtrains » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:25 am

As of March 2017. NS is interchanging 50-100 cars , 3 days a week with DL at slateford Jct. Rumors of the demise of The B&P seems to be somewhat exaggerated.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby CNJ Fan 4evr » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:53 am

Rumors are just that.......RUMORS. I put about as much faith in what is on half these threads as I do the rest of the internet "facts".Thing that cracks me up is the people who start this stuff with no REAL credible facts ,just speculation ( and perhaps wishful thinking). Then when pressed by a question there are nothing but cricket sounds.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby CNJ Fan 4evr » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:53 pm

Haven't been out in a month or so but know that NS has been bringing massive trains up to D-L. Seems that all the fear-mongerers on here were WRONG. The former DL&W main is alive and well because NS is now bringing the grain trains in to Portland / Slateford and handing them off to D-L ,along with the lumber and fracking sand they were already delivering. Latest rumor has NS dropping off at Martins Creek and D-L picking up there. Won't be able to find out if that is true until next week.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby blockline4180 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:59 am

CNJ Fan 4evr wrote:Haven't been out in a month or so but know that NS has been bringing massive trains up to D-L. Seems that all the fear-mongerers on here were WRONG. The former DL&W main is alive and well because NS is now bringing the grain trains in to Portland / Slateford and handing them off to D-L ,along with the lumber and fracking sand they were already delivering. Latest rumor has NS dropping off at Martins Creek and D-L picking up there. Won't be able to find out if that is true until next week.


Yeah, heard about that as well... Also heard that DL will have trackage rights to Hudson yard in P'burg, but that may be a little far fetched as of now. It would be nice seeing Alcos in Union square though.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby pumpers » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:24 pm

Well, Apart from the flour mill complex just south of Martin's creek, I don't think there is much business from Hudson Yard all the way to the Slateford yard interchange. (That power plant in Portland is winding down, or at least shutting down its coal units if it hasn't done so already.
So I can see NS turning the whole ball of wax over to DL, except for the flour mill traffic.

The rumored plan for the new operator (still formally to be announced) of the NS lines in north Jersey (Morristown line, Boonton Line, Totowa secondary, ..., is to drop off and pick up at Hudson yard.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby oibu » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:20 am

When the NS takeover happened, we expected a disaster for DL. So at least the shift of interchange from Taylor to Slateford provides one token beneficial outcome from NS' complete lack of interest in NY, NJ, or anything north of PRR/RDG territory.

As far as the B&P rumors though, they've been circulating for 2 years now and nothing has changed yet, so I'll believe it when I see it. As much as NS wants out of things, the one thing they seem to want even more is to not give anyone else a chance to play on their "turf"....
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby pumpers » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:08 pm

oibu wrote:When the NS takeover happened, we expected a disaster for DL. So at least the shift of interchange from Taylor to Slateford provides one token beneficial outcome from NS' complete lack of interest in NY, NJ, or anything north of PRR/RDG territory.

I thought the DL/NS interchange was always at Slateford in the first place. Was it at Taylor in the Conrail days?

Related, what ever happened to the NS run-throughs from Allentown to Dupont PA over the Reading and Northern, through the Lehigh River gorge? Most of us thought those would end when NS bought the line from Sunbury to Scranton and beyond from D&H (ex PRR, D&H, CNJ..) since NS then had its own line from Harrisburg to Scranton, but for a while at least I heard NS was still running a daily train each way on the Reading and Northern.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby oibu » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:26 pm

I was just referring to the fears everyone had that once everything became NS, all interchange with DL would shift to Taylor and the "Pocono main" would revert to a quiet branch with no more "through" traffic. That's what most of us expected I think, because why go to Portland when you can just use your "mainline" connection?

But since most everything north and east of Harrisburg is treated like its b*st*rd stepchildren, NS seems to be happier running more traffic on an obscure branch local out of Allentown, than moving it over a "main" route that it doesn't seem to what to utilize for any traffic that can conceivably be moved via another means or avoided altogether.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby pumpers » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 am

So, I can't remember. Where was the DL interchange back in the Conrail days? Taylor or Slateford? Did Slateford only start only when NS took over 1/2 of Conrail?
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby oibu » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:18 am

Slateford interchange started around 2001 or 2002 after the Pocono Main was rehabbed. The first big push on that front had been to the Mt. Pocono flour mill in the late '90s, then the rehab continued east from there.

Keep in mind CR had completely vacated the Lackawanna and Wyoming valleys (in fact everything north of the Hazleton line) in the mid-90s, so after that there was no CR-DL interchange. For at least some of the time, DL actually ran to Pittston over R&N to interchange with them rather than having the interchange brought up to Taylor by R&N.
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby blockline4180 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:15 am

oibu wrote:Slateford interchange started around 2001 or 2002 after the Pocono Main was rehabbed. The first big push on that front had been to the Mt. Pocono flour mill in the late '90s, then the rehab continued east from there.

Keep in mind CR had completely vacated the Lackawanna and Wyoming valleys (in fact everything north of the Hazleton line) in the mid-90s, so after that there was no CR-DL interchange. For at least some of the time, DL actually ran to Pittston over R&N to interchange with them rather than having the interchange brought up to Taylor by R&N.



Yeah, I remember all that.. I think the Mt. Pocono Mill opened about 1995 or 96? Also, I remember Conjob had ripped out a piece of rail at Analomink with a chain linked fence... So I imagine nothing went through there from like early to mid 80s to 1999??
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Re: NS taking over part of D&H, fate of Bangor & Slateford??

Postby CNJ Fan 4evr » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:39 pm

Conrail ran two detour coal trains to Portland via Scarnton after a bridge washed out on B&P. That was in mid '90's. Other than that I can't recall any other freight north of Analomink until DL took over in Seot. 2001. CP used to bring the grain trains to MT. Pocono via Scranton. Used to be fun watching them go through Steamtown right next to the CP 2317.
I haven't been out lately. Too much work and not enough time. A co-worker lives near Bangor and says the traffic patterns have changed in the last 6 weeks or so. I caught an NS empty going back to Allentown yesterday at 2:00 PM. Definitely a weird time for them.
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