Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby sd80mac » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:47 am

thebigham wrote:
Then I hiked at Piffard:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=220696

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=220698 collapsed embankment


Do u know what these long fence is for? what is inside that property? I couldnt figure out why they need fence going around their large property

I take that this is not the same location of washout near York Landing, right? I rode the bide from RT 20 to piffard and I know of only one washout few years ag0. I dont recall seeing the washout in the pic.. and it's not the same as the one near York Landing.

Who own and maintain the trail?
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby thebigham » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:09 am

^New York State now owns the trail.

The Greenway has one employee. A young woman who works out of Letchworth.

She has mowers from Letchworth go out and mow the Greenway when they can during the spring/summer.

Volunteers maintain the trail.

The high chain link fence is for a large chemical company (?) at Piffard.

Yes, this is a different area than York Landing.
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby sd80mac » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:46 pm

thebigham wrote:
Yes, this is a different area than York Landing.




Thanks for the answers to my Q

so its pretty much that trail has been severed that I cant ride bike all the way from RT 20 to piffard, correct?
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby RussNelson » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:30 am

http://www.arkema-americas.com/en/arkem ... index.html

The Geneseo, NY plant produces liquid organic peroxides that are used primarily in the production of acrylics, elastomers, LDPE (low density polyethylene), polyesters, polystyrene and PVC (polyvinyl chloride).

And then I asked google "Are peroxides explosive" and it says "An organic peroxide is any organic (carbon-containing) compound having two oxygen atoms joined together (-O-O-). This chemical group is called a "peroxy" group. Organic peroxides can be severe fire and explosion hazards."

Any more questions about why there's a fence around the plant? :-)
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby thebigham » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:49 am

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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby ctclark1 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:50 pm

FYI the "telephone wires" North of Houghton are high tension power lines.
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby thebigham » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:15 pm

^That's a massive brain fart. I have no idea why I wrote that. Thanks.
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby ctclark1 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:35 am

Just didn't want someone who might not think as clearly look at those pictures, see it saying telephone wire, finding another pole that looks like that, and climb it because they're only telephone wires. ;)
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby thebigham » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:21 pm

The Greenway in Oramel:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223499

Former bridge abutments of the PRR Rochester Branch at New Hudson. The nearby exConrail bridge is still in and is used as an unofficial detour:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223500

Near Rockville lake:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223503

The Greenway under Letchworth High Bridge:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223506

The town of Hinsdale this spring brush cut the Greenway widening the mile long trail:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225803
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225804
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225805

Location where the Rochester Branch crossed the once double track DL&W Buffalo mainline at Mt. Morris:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=226740
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby RussNelson » Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:33 pm

thebigham wrote:Former bridge abutments of the PRR Rochester Branch at New Hudson. The nearby exConrail bridge is still in and is used as an unofficial detour:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223500

Isn't that part of the greenway closed off? I didn't see any way to get over to it, and it's definitely closed coming from the northeast. That's why I was on the road there. Is this about 300' off the highway?

Location where the Rochester Branch crossed the once double track DL&W Buffalo mainline at Mt. Morris:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=226740

Maybe "Hikers do not cross the tracks here.", but I crossed it with my wife and our tandem. It's not like there's all THAT much traffic.
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby thebigham » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:10 pm

Great news! 17 miles of the Erie's River Line will become part of The Greenway rail trail:

https://www.facebook.com/FOGVG/posts/1470167809684998

Great News, the State Is in the Process of Purchasing 17 miles of the Old Erie Bed in Allegany County So That some of the Greenway Can Open Again
by Irene Szabo

We have mentioned many times in the past year that there are roughly parallel railroads from Belfast to
near Cuba, the result of an Erie Railroad shortcut opened in 1911 to enable trains that didn’t need to go
to Buffalo to angle southward from near Dalton, just east of the Genesee River up high on bluffs, aiming
for Pennsylvania and eventually Chicago. This so-called High Line crossed the river just north of Belfast
(some of you were lucky enough to see it before it was demolished; now there are only concrete pillars
between the river and NY 19 on the west side where there used to be a spectacular high steel trestle). The
High Line stayed above the valley a little bit on the west side, too, and angled away from the Genesee
River along the Black Creek valley now followed by NY 305. This is how the Erie railbed and the
Pennsylvania Railroad were once cheek by jowl within the Black Creek swamp when both were still
running daily trains.

Just west of Cuba, the Greenway
(Pennsylvania RR) goes under the remnants
of the Erie bridge above. We all know that
“our” Pennsy route was closed in the early
1960s, while the Erie line continued activity
until the 1980s, after it had tried to save
itself through merger with the Lackawanna.
Then to save itself from bankruptcy after
Hurricane Agnes in 1972 tore out major
river-edge segments, the Erie Lackawanna
was gobbled up by Conrail in 1976, the
government corporation that kept most
disaster-bound northeast railroads from
imploding entirely.

One of Conrail’s cost-saving measures was to eliminate many miles of branch lines that weren’t deemed
necessary or profitable; in truth, today we wish we had a few of them back again. So after the
Pennsylvania Railroad had already given up on what is now our Greenway, the branch from Pennsylvania
up to Rochester, twenty years later Conrail started axing seemingly superfluous lines, and the High Line
was killed off. The Erie line had been built over twenty years after the PRR, and was much better built,
with great bridges and deep ballast rocks that Conrail mysteriously didn’t dig up and use elsewhere.
Ballast is the layer of gray rocks that wooden ties and rails are set upon, and they enable good drainage
and keep the ties out of mud.

Therefore, in places, the Erie route might be preferable to the one we have now between Cuba and
Belfast, but after Conrail let it go, it became seventeen miles of private land. Fortunately for us, those
miles are owned by only two parties, and after years of negotiation, they are willing to sell to the State.
At this point, the property has been inspected by Allegany State Park personnel, with closing anticipated
this summer. After closing, Bergmann Associates will survey the whole property, and the process will
begin to decide which corridor is better for the trail to follow in any given segment. Considering how
many places Black Creek is nibbling away at our path, it’s great to have an alternative here.
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby pumpers » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:30 am

RussNelson wrote:http://www.arkema-americas.com/en/arkema-americas/united-states/geneseo-ny/index.html

The Geneseo, NY plant produces liquid organic peroxides that are used primarily in the production of acrylics, elastomers, LDPE (low density polyethylene), polyesters, polystyrene and PVC (polyvinyl chloride).

And then I asked google "Are peroxides explosive" and it says "An organic peroxide is any organic (carbon-containing) compound having two oxygen atoms joined together (-O-O-). This chemical group is called a "peroxy" group. Organic peroxides can be severe fire and explosion hazards."

Any more questions about why there's a fence around the plant? :-)

I just happened to see this post when scanning through the Greenway related posts. Regarding "organic peroxide" and "Arkema", just google them and "Houston" to see all the disasters they have been having at their plant there from the recent floods, and evasive & misleading statements from Arkema. Good thing they have a big fence around it, and hopefully no one living anywhere near.
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Re: Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

Postby nydepot » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:49 am

They had a explosion and fire there in 2009. The ambulance showed up but was not let into the gate. Geneseo Village trustees decided maybe they should have a plan in place for emergencies.
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