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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby nysw3636 » Tue May 04, 2010 1:44 pm

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps ... 0107130327

Poughkeepsie urges free parking at Walkway; state says no
Michael Valkys • Poughkeepsie Journal • July 13, 2010
An official says the state has no plans to rescind the $5 parking fee at Walkway Over the Hudson lots — despite a request from City of Poughkeepsie leaders to do so. On Monday night at City Hall, the Common Council approved a resolution asking state officials to remove the fee, which went into effect last month. "It's an additional burden that our taxpayers have to bear," said Mayor John Tkazyik, adding that the fee is most harmful to local residents who use the pedestrian span on a regular basis. The mayor called such state fees a "noose around the neck of the taxpayers." The Walkway is operated by the state Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. The $5 fee is charged in lots operated by the state.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby joshuahouse » Tue May 04, 2010 9:34 pm

Not unreasonable. Most state parks are about that.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby nysw3636 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:21 am

The pedestrian bridge over Vineyard Avenue (RT 44/55) is has been put in.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby Otto Vondrak » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:47 pm

Steve F45 wrote:on 1010wins.com they have an article about the state charge $5 for parking to goto the walkway over the hudson.


Link? Quote of story??
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby AJLUZI » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:42 pm

I am very familiar with the Highland side since I walk it every day. The state is charging 5 for parking for four hours in their lot, but this is really silly because the lot holds about 10 regular spaces and about 6 handicap spaces. There is tons of parking on the adjacent street that is free, hence the state parking lot is empty most of the time. Additionally, I have heard that the town of Lloyd (Highland) is building a 100 car parking lot close to the entrance of the bridge that I believe will be free. I cannot comment about the parking on the POK side
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby DonPevsner » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:22 am

Are the concrete "Walkway" slabs laid right up to the western end of the Bridge, to level ground just east of the Central Hudson substation, or were they only laid part-way so as to leave exposed western viaduct girders joining that level ground?
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby AJLUZI » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:36 am

They come right to the level ground
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OWNERSHIP, INSURANCE AND MAINTENANCE STATUS UPDATE

Postby DonPevsner » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:08 am

(1)On July 21, 2010, NYS Governor David Paterson finally signed June, 2010 legislation that directs the New York State Bridge Authority to take title to the entire 6,767-foot-long Poughkeepsie Bridge, including both the eastern and western approach viaducts (iron) and the overwater portion (steel).This excellently-worded legislation does not create any discretionary opt-out by the Bridge Authority, so NYSBA must comply.

(2)The original legislative bills were introduced by Assemblyman Frank Skartados (D.-Milton) and--five months later--Senator Jose Serrano (D.-The Bronx). None of the Dutchess County Senators could be bothered to lift a finger.

(3)The Bridge Authority is now working on getting its "paperwork" burden completed, with a goal of taking title to the entire Bridge by the end of CY2010. Its spearhead is the dedicated NYSBA executive, John Bellucci, whose office is located at the toll plaza for the Mid-Hudson highway bridge, in Highland, NY. NYSBA now owns and operates six highway bridges (see list below) across the Hudson, with ample liability insurance and "deep-pockets" maintenance and overhaul resources. Its bridge engineering firm is world-famous Modjewski and Masters, which routinely inspected and repaired the NYNH&H Poughkeepsie (railroad) Bridge for many decades and which will do a long-overdue new bridge inspection as soon as NYSBA can take title to it all.

(a)Bear Mountain Bridge (originally built privately by the Harriman family)

(b)+(c)Beacon-Newburgh Bridge (2 separate bridges on I-84)

(d)Mid-Hudson Bridge (Poughkeepsie to Highland)

(e)Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge (north of both points)

(f)Rip Van Winkle Bridge (Catskill area to Hudson area)



(4)In the interim:

(a)The Poughkeepsie-Highland Railroad Bridge Company, Inc., the New York nonprofit corporation of the "Walkway Over The Hudson" volunteer group, conveyed title to the eastern approach viaduct-only to the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, State of New York, shortly after the October 3, 2009 grand-opening. NYS Parks must now convey this portion of the Bridge to the New York State Bridge Authority. (SOURCE: Erik Kulleseid, Director: Open Space Preservation, NYS OPRHP, by email to this writer dated October 15, 2009.)

(b)Until such time as the Bridge Authority can legally accept title to the rest of the Bridge from the Walkway corporation, there is little or no liability insurance on the structure west of the eastern shore of the Hudson River, and no maintenance guarantees by any New York State entity with the "deep pockets" necessary to properly maintain this 121-year-old structure. Indeed, the entire Bridge has lacked most, if not all, liability insurance, as well as routine maintenance, from October 2, 1984 (when CONRAIL sold it for one dollar to Gordon Schreiber Miller, a convicted felon from suburban Philadelphia) to the present date, excepting only Walkway construction in CY2009. Incredibly, the Walkway Group acquired the Bridge from Gordon Schreiber Miller's successor, Vito Moreno, in June, 1998, and has "gone bare" on most (if not all) liability insurance, as well as necessary maintenance, for 12 long years at this writing. It is difficult to imagine a more potentially-destructive action by an organization that has allegedly been acting in the public interest. Its Board of Directors had better pray that nothing drastic befalls the Poughkeepsie Bridge under their "stewardship" until NYSBA can take formal title to it all. (Google "Kinzua Bridge" to find the Wikipedia article on that similar structure's 30-second-long toppling by a tornado, in CY2003.)

(5)SEE the Wikipedia article on the Poughkeepsie Bridge: find it by Googling "Poughkeesie Bridge".
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby Dick H » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:06 pm

Where is this material taken from? Reference needed....
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby DonPevsner » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:26 am

All material is documented in the "Footnotes" section of the Wikipedia article. To save you the trouble of looking it up, everything was reported in the POUGHKEEPSIE JOURNAL except my telephone conversations with John R. Bellucci, Director of Operations, New York State Bridge Authority, on July 26, 2010, and an early June, 2010 telephone conversation with Assemblyman Frank Skartados (D.-Milton). The Bellucci conversation is also footnoted.
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CORRECTION TO MY JULY 27, 2010 POSTING

Postby DonPevsner » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:06 pm

The world-famous bridge engineering firm retained by the New York State Bridge Authority is Modjeski and Masters (not "Modjewski and Masters").
It goes back to 1893, under co-founder Ralph Modjeski, and is a titan in its field. For example, it designed the 1924 Bear Mountain Bridge for the Harriman family, which built it privately, and also designed and built both spans of the Beacon-Newburgh Bridge (Interstate 84). It strengthened the Poughkeepsie Railroad Bridge in 1912 so it could bear the weight of new NYNY&H 2-10-2 locomotives, and helped the Central New England and New Haven Railroads to maintain it properly for over 70 years. When the NYSBA went looking for an engineering firm, decades ago, it picked the best. It will be Modjeski and Masters that will perform a long-overdue, major inspection of the Poughkeepsie Bridge in CY2011.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby lvrr325 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:38 pm

I thought this thread was about parking to go on the bridge, not rants about the checkered ownership and history of the structure.

Although I do have to wonder, as an aside, if you're allowed to smoke on the bridge....
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby DonPevsner » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:54 am

Detailing the facts about ownership, maintenance and liability, plus a little history, is hardly a "rant". Since when are you the determinant of whether or not this thread is strictly limited to "parking"? Last I heard, Otto Vondrak has that authority, not you.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby Noel Weaver » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:42 pm

I don't know why an inspection is necessary at this point. Such stuff was done before it was decided to build the walkway in the first place. Of course there are attorneys
everywhere just waiting for something awlful to happen so that they can get a piece of the action (money).
It is correct though that this topic is about parking there. On that, I will be walking this historic bridge for the second time this coming Saturday, weather permitting, and will
try to provide an update after that time.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge Parking

Postby DonPevsner » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:12 pm

An inspection is "necessary at this point" because John Bellucci, Director of Operations of the New York State Bridge Authority, told me so in a telephone conversation about ten days ago. I trust his opinion more than anyone involved with Walkway construction, or your own, personal opinion.
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