Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby Matt Langworthy » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:35 am

The NS geometry train is currently in greater Buffalo right now, and is expected to head east to Binghamton today via the Tier.
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby SST » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:05 am

Yesterday I went looking for a specific repair shop near Elma. Couldn't find the place. Back and forth on Seneca St. Finally found it. Afterwards, I worked my way back to Erie St. I turned left onto Erie and Surprise, the signal at Pavement was green. Perfect timing. So I pulled over at the corner of Pavement and Erie and about 1 minute later NS comes from behind me. It's funny, if I hadn't gotten "lost" looking for the repair shop, it would have effected my timing and I would have missed the train. It was a hell of a ride! hahaha

This picture is facing west towards Buffalo at Erie and Pavement.

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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby Matt Langworthy » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:27 pm

Since we discussed Stanley Roberts Rd/Ashland in another thread, NS local H12 stopped near there briefly on Friday 11/27 due to a minor salt leak from a hopper. The leak was stopped and the spill cleaned up in less than an hour. This location is also known as MP 263.
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby SST » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:47 pm

I forgot to mention that on the passing train in the picture above, a new FRED unit was attached. This unit is a significant improvement over the previous ones. Much brighter and more defining. It will stick out in poor visibility more than the older version.
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:30 am

From a trusted source- the Tier has 2 new train symbols.

NS 14Z Conway (OD 3 am/depart 5 am) - Buffalo (depart 7:45 pm) - Elmira - Binghamton (New Train)

NS 149 Binghamton (10am) - Gang Mills - Buffalo - Bellevue (extension)

NS 149 is scheduled to begin today,
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby johnpbarlow » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:35 am

Matt Langworthy wrote:From a trusted source- the Tier has 2 new train symbols.

NS 14Z Conway (OD 3 am/depart 5 am) - Buffalo (depart 7:45 pm) - Elmira - Binghamton (New Train)

NS 149 Binghamton (10am) - Gang Mills - Buffalo - Bellevue (extension)

NS 149 is scheduled to begin today,


I read on a NS Southern Tier FB page that symbol 149 was added so that Bellevue bound cars would travel in a separate train from 309, whose destination is Elkhart (I think 309 used to drop Bellevues at Conneaut for a Bellevue-bound train to pick-up). So 14Z and 149 should replace W10 and W09 extra symbols if I understand correctly.
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby SALSDP35 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:45 am

Matt Langworthy wrote:From a trusted source- the Tier has 2 new train symbols.

NS 14Z Conway (OD 3 am/depart 5 am) - Buffalo (depart 7:45 pm) - Elmira - Binghamton (New Train)



I wonder how NS will route these in the long run. Trains coming up the Youngstown line must head west on the NKP at Ashtabula with a "run around move" to get the power on the east end.

Before the WNY&P was opened, NS used the Meadville line to get to the B&LE at Greenville and then used the Erie Branch to Wallace Jct. I wonder if this business, along with any remaining coal business would be enough to consider reopening this short segment of trackage rights?
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:50 pm

johnpbarlow wrote:I read on a NS Southern Tier FB page that symbol 149 was added so that Bellevue bound cars would travel in a separate train from 309, whose destination is Elkhart (I think 309 used to drop Bellevues at Conneaut for a Bellevue-bound train to pick-up). So 14Z and 149 should replace W10 and W09 extra symbols if I understand correctly.


Thanks. I predicted W10 would eventually get its own symbol once it became a regularly scheduled train (as opposed to an extra section of 310). This change is similar to 14T (now 28N) getting a symbol a few years back after running as I06 and I2K for a few months.
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:15 pm

SALSDP35 wrote:I wonder how NS will route these in the long run. Trains coming up the Youngstown line must head west on the NKP at Ashtabula with a "run around move" to get the power on the east end.


That's how 14M and 524 operate now. Likewise, the power for 15M and 525 must run around their respective trains on the ex-NKP before heading south on the Youngstown Line. The run arounds do tie up the Lake Erie District (NKP) for a short time.

SALSDP35 wrote:Before the WNY&P was opened, NS used the Meadville line to get to the B&LE at Greenville and then used the Erie Branch to Wallace Jct. I wonder if this business, along with any remaining coal business would be enough to consider reopening this short segment of trackage rights?


I suppose it would be possible if NS decides they no longer need the Youngstown Line.
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Re: Southern Tier - West of Binghamton

Postby SALSDP35 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:21 pm

Matt Langworthy wrote:
SALSDP35 wrote:I wonder how NS will route these in the long run. Trains coming up the Youngstown line must head west on the NKP at Ashtabula with a "run around move" to get the power on the east end.


That's how 14M and 524 operate now. Likewise, the power for 15M and 525 must run around their respective trains on the ex-NKP before heading south on the Youngstown Line. The run arounds do tie up the Lake Erie District (NKP) for a short time.

SALSDP35 wrote:Before the WNY&P was opened, NS used the Meadville line to get to the B&LE at Greenville and then used the Erie Branch to Wallace Jct. I wonder if this business, along with any remaining coal business would be enough to consider reopening this short segment of trackage rights?


I suppose it would be possible if NS decides they no longer need the Youngstown Line.


I am sure that these trains will run on the Youngtown line for now. My statement was speculation/thinking out loud given that NS previously found the process excessively time consuming. While the Youngstown Line has very little traffic, the NKP is seeing increases. Will this be cause to revisit the B&LE alternative? Time will tell.
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