Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

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Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby ERIE 360 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:01 am

From Wikipedia:

#3 is an Alco S4 built in 1953 & formerly of the Genesee & Wyoming & New York Central (NYC).
#5 was a GE 45-Tonner formerly of the US Army (USATC).
#35 is an Alco S4 built in 1959 formerly of the Genesee & Wyoming (GNWR).
#36 is an Alco RS-11 built on 1957 formerly of the Norfolk & Western (N&W).
#40, now #408, is an Alco RS-36 built in 1962 formerly of the Norfolk & Western.
#106 was an Alco S-2 built in 1948 & formerly of the Baltimore & Ohio (B&O).
#107 was an Alco S4 formerly of the N&W. Today it is at Rochester & Genesee Valley Railroad Museum in Rush, New York. It has been re-painted into the Paint scheme of its original owner: the New York, Chicago & St.Louis (Nickel Plate Road (NKP)). The N&W absorbed the NKP in 1965 & sold #107 to OMID.
#4056 was an Alco RS-3 built for the Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S). It was sold by SP&S successor Burlington Northern (BN).
#4085 was also an Alco RS-3 but ex-Delaware & Hudson (D&H).

As far as I understand 107 was never OMID property and instead was purchased by a private individual. What's the scoop?

Here she is today still under private ownership but stored/displayed at the museum in Rush.
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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby Otto Vondrak » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:13 am

Here's part of "the scoop" from the museum website:

http://rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/nkp79

In 1964, the Nickel Plate Road was purchased by the Norfolk & Western Railway. The unit was painted blue and became their number 2079. The Norfolk & Western retired the unit on December 6, 1974 and it was sold through a dealer to the Wyandotte Terminal Railroad in Michigan in 1976 where it became their number 107. In 1982, it was sold to RSA Leasing in Sodus, New York. They leased it to the Allegheny Southern Railroad in Pennsylvania where it became their number 17. The unit was returned to Sodus, New York in 1985. In September, 1987, it was purchased and moved to the Museum by members of the Rochester Chapter NRHS. In 1993 and 1994, it was restored to its original Nickel Plate paint scheme and number.


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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby Lehighton_Man » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:02 pm

I do believe a chapter member owns #79. I have met the owner, a very nice guy. It has been a while since #79 has been cranked though. (last I knew...)
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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby CRHauf » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:10 am

#79 remains privately owned. #79 was operated in 2008, but was not run in 2009 due to other commitments by the owner. We will see what 2010 brings. The engine is properly stored so taking a year off is really not a big deal.

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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby jr » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:33 pm

The Wikipedia entry regarding that locomotive is incorrect. The information on the Rochester Chapter website, as noted by Otto, is correct to the best of our knowledge.

The website below also gives some further information regarding its usage on the Allegheny Southern in Pennsylvania from 1982 through 1984.

http://www.bbandbrr.com/asrw/roster/17.aspx

It returned to Sodus after the Everett RR took over that branchline (early '85?). It carried that paint and number(Allegheny Southern #17) at Sodus, during the period from '85 through its sale in September of '87.

It is our understanding that #17 was used occasionally by OMID during this time.


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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby Alcophile » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:14 pm

I wrote that and apologise, I received my information from thedieselshop.us and that what was posted on their website. Other rosters on that website are accurate so I had good reason to believe that 107 had in fact been owned by the OMID.
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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby Lehighton_Man » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:24 am

I see the 2 RS3s on the Roster... What ever happened to those units? Were they scrapped?
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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby Otto Vondrak » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:33 pm

Lehighton_Man wrote:I see the 2 RS3s on the Roster... What ever happened to those units? Were they scrapped?


Remember that at one time the Ontario Lines shared management and resources. The 4085 was built for D&H, went to ONCT, and then to the DL, who in turn sold it to New York & Greenwood Lake and is now their 935.

4056 was built for Spokane, Portland & Seattle, and went to Burlington Northern in 1970. Went to Ontario Midland, and later sold to Cuyahoga Scenic in Ohio, I understand they use it as a parts source.

How did I know all this? I went to Google and searched "ONCT 4085" and "SP&S 4056" and got several results. Sometimes it takes a little digging to find what you're looking for, but it's out there!

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Re: Ontario Midland All Time Roster Discrepancies

Postby scottychaos » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:38 pm

Lehighton_Man wrote:I see the 2 RS3s on the Roster... What ever happened to those units? Were they scrapped?



#4056 was an Alco RS-3 built for the Spokane, Portland & Seattle (SP&S). It was sold by SP&S successor Burlington Northern (BN).
#4085 was also an Alco RS-3 but ex-Delaware & Hudson (D&H).


4085 was most likely D&H 4085.
(Scot heads over to google)
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/dl.html

D&H 4085
b/n 80175, blt. 1952
nee D&H 4085
to Ontario Central 4085
to GVT (DL or Depew Lancaster & Western) 4085
to New York & Greenwood Lake RR 935
Today is NYGL 935, still operating! :P
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1735276

SP&S 71
b/n 79594
blt 01/52
nee SP&S 71 (January 1952)
to BN 4056 (March 1970)
to Conrail (leased) (may 1976)
to Chrome Crankshaft (September 1980)
to OMID 4056 (September 1980)
to Cuyahoga Valley Line 4056 (in 1988)
to Cuyahoga Scenic 4056
was seen as a parts unit in 1990.
Scrapped 1995

http://spsry.railfan.net/diesel.html
http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr820.htm
viewtopic.php?f=125&t=51995
http://www.tamr.org/Andy_Inserra/CVSR_ROSTER.xls

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