Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

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Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby thebigham » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:56 pm

I've been traveling Rt. 39 and I've been crossing the former grade in Perrysburg.

When was the last train on the line?

When was it torn up?

Thanks!
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Fredonia

Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:41 pm

Actually track ended in Dunkirk, not Fredonia.

Sometime in 1975 I believe, but I do not have an exact date.

If you are travelling down the NYS Thruway east of the Dunkirk - Fredonia exit - about MP 463 area, you can see the remains of the embankment where the railroad bridge went over the Thruway - EL MP 455.64 AAR/DOT Crossing # 265 683B. Not sure when the overhead bridge came out.
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby thebigham » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:46 pm

^Thanks.

There is a "Dunkirk Branch" track chart, but I cannot open it:

https://www.railsandtrails.com/TC/EL/index.htm

It's a djvu file? Huh?? lol
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby thebigham » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:50 pm

Found this:

http://www.jon-n-bevliles.net/RAILROAD/ ... ett20.html

22.0
DAYTON

19.0
PERRYSBURG D

16.0
WEST PERRYSBURG

12.0
SMITH’S MILLS

8.2
FORRESTVILLE D

4.4
SHERIDAN
N.Y.C.&St.L. 4.4 N.Y.C

0.0
P.R.R.
DUNKIRK N
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby nydepot » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:56 am

Just look for a djvu plugin for your browser. That's the easiest. You can get a freeware standalone piece of software too.

thebigham wrote:^Thanks.

There is a "Dunkirk Branch" track chart, but I cannot open it:

https://www.railsandtrails.com/TC/EL/index.htm

It's a djvu file? Huh?? lol
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby Matt Langworthy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:51 pm

I recall reading that EL removed the line from Dunkirk to Dayton Jct in March of 1976. In the pre-Staggers era, the ICC normally required a line to have no traffic for a year before it could abandoned or sold. However, this rule was apparently bent on occasion during the transition to Conrail. The guess of 1975 for the last train is a good one, regardless of whether the full year rule was observed or not.
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby lvrr325 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:08 pm

So who picked up the remaining Erie track in Dunkirk prior to Conrail?

There's a little still there now. It seems to be tied into a segment of former PRR as well.
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby TB Diamond » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:37 pm

E-L abandoned the Dunkirk Branch Dunkirk-Dayton, 21.9 miles, on 16 May 1975.
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby pumpers » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:45 am

Going the other way, from Dayton to Cattaraugus, how long has it been since anything ran? For a while there was a wood products company I think (?) in Cattaraugus occasionally using rail, but I seem to recall hearing they went away, or at least stopped using rail.
Also, was the connector in Dayton always there, or is that a "modern" (Conrail or later) development?
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby TB Diamond » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:26 pm

Dayton-Cattaraugus, 9.3 miles, abandoned on 27 October 1970 account washouts.
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby pumpers » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:39 pm

TB Diamond wrote:Dayton-Cattaraugus, 9.3 miles, abandoned on 27 October 1970 account washouts.
so the connector is from the EL era? Maybe I am dreaming about service to Cattaraugus in recent memory? Perhaps it was later reactivated?
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby MP366 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:44 am

IIRC NYLE ran excursions for a short period to Salamanca from Gowanda, but I’d have to dig through some slides to try to find the date. Will follow up as soon as I can
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby pumpers » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:16 am

Found it. See the NY&LE thread, on April 8 2012. viewtopic.php?f=128&t=60980&start=45#p1034968
The customer was Setterstix in Cattaraugus, who makes paper sticks for popsicles, Q-tips etc. The thread isn't 100% clear, but the line might have been out of service since a washout in 2009. Looking at Google streetview, the 2 boxcars mentioned in the 2012 post are still there in the 2013 Streetview image.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3196513 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby nydepot » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:12 pm

Thanks pumpers.

Tying in to another thread here - try finding that info on Facebook. Searching is worthless there.


pumpers wrote:Found it. See the NY&LE thread, on April 8 2012. viewtopic.php?f=128&t=60980&start=45#p1034968
The customer was Setterstix in Cattaraugus, who makes paper sticks for popsicles, Q-tips etc. The thread isn't 100% clear, but the line might have been out of service since a washout in 2009. Looking at Google streetview, the 2 boxcars mentioned in the 2012 post are still there in the 2013 Streetview image.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3196513 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: Erie RR from Dayton Jct. to Dunkirk

Postby jr » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:15 am

MP366 is correct on the NYLE excursions. I rode a couple of them out of Salamanca. One of these, was to the County Fairgrounds in Little Valley, in either 1981 or 1982. I believe there were several excursions that were run in conjunction with the Salamanca RR Museum.


My notes show Salamanca to Cattaraugus abandoned in 1990.
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