Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby Ken W2KB » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:12 pm

FLRailFan1 wrote:
thebigham wrote:http://www.dailyfreeman.com/opinion/20180209/letter-ulster-county-executive-michael-hein-must-feel-guilty

LETTER: Ulster County Executive Michael Hein must feel guilty
POSTED: 02/09/18

Dear Editor:

I can see by his actions that Ulster County Executive Michael Hein is feeling guilty and worried about destroying our county’s history and disregarding the wishes of the majority of county residents by removing the railroad tracks alongside the Ashokan Reservoir and building a walking trail.

He could have saved a ton of money by putting a walking trail next to the tracks. His guilt has led to putting up fences, taking away our access to the property and our boats, and he has armed guards to protect the workers.

What is he afraid of?

I do not know why he thinks that taking away an income to the county and replacing it with a drain on the county budget is a good thing. He talks about bringing tourist dollars into the county and then throws them away.

Hein and all those who voted to remove our railroad and destroy our history should be voted out of office. They surely do not have the interest of the county and its residents at heart .

Doug Eighmey
West Hurley, N.Y.


When is the next county election? Is it in November? I hope some U&D supporters will be running - especially if CMRR could get business (which means jobs) for the area... Some of the idiots running the county thinks rail trails equals jobs...


The fences, etc. apparently are being required by the City of New York / DEP as explained on the City's webpage: "Attention Ashokan Reservoir Anglers

DEP is collaborating with Ulster County to construct the Ashokan Rail Trail on the former railway corridor that runs along the northern shore of Ashokan Reservoir.

Preliminary work on the trail, including the removal of old rail infrastructure and hazard trees, began this winter and will continue through May. DEP and Ulster County have carefully outlined a plan to maintain some access for shore fishermen and boat owners while the project is ongoing.

We encourage all anglers to pay careful attention to the signs, temporary fences and other information that outline the approved walking paths and the areas that are off limits." http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/recreation/index.shtml
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby BandA » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:36 pm

I see the present mayor of Kingston Steve Noble, and the Ulster County Chamber of Commerce are participating in CMRR events. Is this a new attitude from organizations? (with the notable exception of the county government)
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby lvrr325 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:56 pm

Seems to me you just go to the scrap outfit and buy it from them. We did that when unfriendly places were scrapping cars.
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby eehiv » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:12 pm

We tried to buy from the scrap outfit, but they were obviously told not to sell anything to us as they would not return our calls. DURR also tried to no avail. EH
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby lvrr325 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:31 am

We went to them in person. Generally money talks and BS walks, what sells for cash money gets no names attached to it and once it's gone it's gone.

Oh well, going to be that much worse if they should be forced to replace it.
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby BandA » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:09 pm

Isn't that an illegal conspiracy?
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby scoostraw » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:27 am

BandA wrote:Isn't that an illegal conspiracy?

You are catching on.
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby BandA » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:02 pm

I tried to google laws against it but got info about how to blacklist IT workers in India instead.
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby Otto Vondrak » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:33 pm

eehiv wrote:We tried to buy from the scrap outfit, but they were obviously told not to sell anything to us as they would not return our calls. DURR also tried to no avail. EH


They refused the sale on what grounds? What is the name of the company that is/was holding the material?

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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby Ken W2KB » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:52 pm

BandA wrote:Isn't that an illegal conspiracy?


Probably not. A private business can pick and choose with whom it does business and need not explain its reasoning. Conspiracies in restraint of trade, which is what you are probably thinking of, are illegal between competitors in activities such as price fixing, division of markets, etc.
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby airman00 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:00 pm

Ken W2KB wrote:
BandA wrote:Isn't that an illegal conspiracy?


Probably not. A private business can pick and choose with whom it does business and need not explain its reasoning.


That is true, except it does make you wonder, what’s in it for this scrap yard company if they don’t sell material to the CMRR?
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby Dick H » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:32 am

The sleazy politicos probably reminded the scrap company that some sort of "permit" renewal will be coming up soon.
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CMRR Work Report - June 14 to 17

Postby eehiv » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:48 am

Thursday, June 14th

Earl Pardini, Brian VanKirk, John Marino and Tom Whyte tamped and spiked the last of the ties inserted in May, and helped Scott Symans unload Viscose No. 6.


Saturday June 16th

On Saturday, June 16th the CMRR ran its annual Steam Train with Viscose No. 6 from Westbrook Lane to the JR crossing. There was great music on the train:

Many thanks to the CMRR crew who made this happen: Earl Pardini, Engineer, Tony Bocchino, Conductor, Karl Wick, Conductor, and John Marino, Russ Hallock, Al Schoessow, Ernie Klopping and Joe Wolff, flagmen. Many thanks to Peter Fluchere, Pat Smalley and Marcia Roosa in the ticket booth, and to our Event Coordinator, Rob Gaston.

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=244524


Sunday, June 17th

Many thanks to the CMRR crew who made this happen: Earl Pardini, Engineer, Brian VanKirk, engineer trainee, Tony Bocchino, Conductor, Karl Wick, Conductor, and Fred Rasmussen, Harrison Balduff, Al Schoessow and Arthur Vogel, flagmen. Many thanks to Peter Fluchere and Marcia Roosa in the ticket booth, and to our Event Coordinator, Rob Gaston.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GayctNe0sdY


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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby BandA » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:28 pm

Ken W2KB wrote:
BandA wrote:Isn't that an illegal conspiracy?


Probably not. A private business can pick and choose with whom it does business and need not explain its reasoning. Conspiracies in restraint of trade, which is what you are probably thinking of, are illegal between competitors in activities such as price fixing, division of markets, etc.
Well, it's the landlord interfering with the legal business of the tenant. Also, bet they didn't get the best price for scrapping the rails since they couldn't sell them to the best customer. And it shows bias in the government officials that should probably have recused themselves over railroad and railtrail issues.

Just document the heck out of the interaction with the salvage company. I don't suppose anybody wants to go on the record. Maybe there is a FOIA request that could be made, lol
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Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2018

Postby lvrr325 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:31 am

They sell it as processed scrap, high quality material and it goes to a furnace somewhere, is what's in it for them. Every time I've bought out of the scrap yard I had to pay about double what they pay for the material based on the weight.
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