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Looking for photos of Charlotte - 1970s-1980s

Postby Conrail6467 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:40 am

Hello All, I know most of you have pictures of the Charlotte Area. I am trying to compile folders of pictures to accurately depict scenes for my layout. I am in particular need of pictures of the South Yard, Rock Beach / Irondequoit Area, Webster, and Sea Breeze. Anyone with drawings, or photos please reply. All I have to go on is Google Maps at this point and it isn't very helpful. Any help would be appreciated. Enjoy your day!

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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby BR&P » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:49 am

Charlotte changed greatly through the years. What timeframe, roughly, are you looking to model?
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby Conrail6467 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:02 pm

Anything between 1968 and 1977 before the abandonment of most of what was left down there. I really want to do November of 1975, but as far as track and scenery everything between 68 and 75 was relatively the same. I'm doing some more research about what was there on Historic Ariels, but I have not seen any pictures of the PC working Webster at all. Some insight into Webster would be ideal. I cant quite see from the pics I have how far the South Yard extends past Petten Street. I have no room for my layout, but I figure I'll get my research and planning out of the way first :-D. I have amassed a large library of reference photos, but I lack:

-Hamlin
-East Yard / Irondequoit Area
-Port of Rochester
-Webster (Entirely)
-Sea Breeze
-Greece (Just some of the crossings, most is farmland)
-Barnard
-Hilton (Collamer Cold Storage)

Other than that, I am pretty well set.
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Postby BR&P » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:06 pm

When I get a chance I believe I have a DICCS map of Webster I can scan and post.

South yard at Charlotte had 6 tracks in that time, 1-5 and The Mill. Track 1 was closest to the main and the Mill was closest to the river. Here's a pic from 1964, poor quality but the subject matter is great! String of reefers is on Track 3.

NYC South Yard Charlotte Fall 1964.jpg
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Postby Conrail6467 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:52 pm

Fantastic. This is what I was looking for. Where might those reefers be heading?
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby BR&P » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:25 pm

Somewhere out the Hojack, can't say whether west or east. They would be empties, for loading with apples or other fruit. Notice they are the old ice reefers, not the mechanical ones which eventually became standard.
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby Conrail6467 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:03 pm

Right. I appreciate your help :-D
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby Conrail6467 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:48 pm

Anyone have photos of the B&O Connection in the West Yard?
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby lvrr325 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 am

There have been a ton of pictures of this stuff on Facebook the last couple weeks in some of the groups that cover that area.
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Postby Conrail6467 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:13 am

lvrr325 wrote:There have been a ton of pictures of this stuff on Facebook the last couple weeks in some of the groups that cover that area.
I went through the entire photos library on the Rochester Area Railroads and Railfans Facebook page and saved all of the relevant photos :-D. Any other groups I missed?
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby SST » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:18 am

From a boaters point of view, that's a great picture. I wonder if any of those boaters liked to watch train movements and wonder how many hated it. I also wonder how many of those old boats are still around.

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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby D Alex » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:56 am

Looks like dock space was at a premium back then. I often cycle along the path that they made of at least part of this scene today. there must be 10x as many boats along the river today, in 3 or 4 different places.
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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby BR&P » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:04 pm

I'm not sure if this provides much detail but will at least give you a glimpse of how things looked from the train. This is from 1977, engine is on track 2 in the South Yard. The hoppers are on 4 and 5.

To answer - partially - your earlier question, tracks 1 and 2 ended against the embankment at Petten Street, 3-5 extended south of that but I can't recall how far south. The Mill came off of Track 5 partway down the track. Somewhere I have a couple pics from when an attempt was made to "lengthen" Track 2 :wink: . The PC gondola climbed the embankment and almost went onto Petten Street. It sat there for quite a while before being pulled back. During that time it was jokingly called "Bonjo's Bumping Block" after the crewman who was responsible for its plight.

We also established that back ballpark 1900, at least some of the tracks in what later was the South Yard extended all the way up to Yates Dock.

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Re: Anyone have Pictures I'm looking for?

Postby Conrail6467 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pm

Ok, There was a Mill at the end of South Yard? I was unaware of this. Im also not sure what Yates Dock is....Are you referring to the B&O Coal Docks?
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Postby BR&P » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:23 pm

The actual mill was long gone by this time, I think I heard at one time what kind of mill it was but have forgotten.

Yates Dock was a predecessor of Charlotte Dock, and was located farther north on the west side of the river. No point in trying to repeat everything, do a search on the forum for "Yates Dock". It was discussed at length in the CSX Charlotte Runner thread and in another thread from last spring when a few of us walked the remains of the old grades.
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