What is being built here? Belfast, NY

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What is being built here? Belfast, NY

Postby nydepot » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:12 am

It was mailed from Belfast, which is usually near where it was taken. The grade left to right is pretty steep but it could be the optics. The temp trestle will probably get filled. Postmarked 1906, so it's before the Erie River line was complete.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: What is being built here?

Postby thebigham » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:18 am

It's the fill for the Erie River Line over the B&S tracks.

More pics like this one are here:

http://gallery.alleganyhistory.org/albu ... t/Railroad
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby RailKevin » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:55 am

So, they built a wooden trestle just to dump fill from it? That would make for a massive berm. Is it still around today?
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby Wayside » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:32 am

That's how they did it, with teams of horses or mules pulling cartloads of fill out onto the trestle. Took skill and nerve to take a team out there and back.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby tree68 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:53 am

RailKevin wrote:So, they built a wooden trestle just to dump fill from it? That would make for a massive berm. Is it still around today?

The big fill at Barneveld on today's MA&N (nee PC, nee NYC, nee RW&O, nee U&BR) probably still has the wooden trestle within it, just like all of the similar construction jobs, and the one in the picture.

The trestle at Barneveld was completed so a source for fill (the top of a hill) on the other side could be reached by rail. A bridge inspector advised the railroad at the time that he couldn't give the bridge more than two or three years, to which the reply was "that's all we need."

I've been over that fill many times. In addition, it's the beginning of the long grade into Remsen.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby thebigham » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:12 pm

RailKevin wrote:So, they built a wooden trestle just to dump fill from it? That would make for a massive berm. Is it still around today?


Yes, still here at Bing Maps:

https://binged.it/2AXzpKk

New York State has bought the former Erie River Line from Cuba to Belfast and will turn parts of it into The Greenway rail trail.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby nydepot » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:31 pm

So you think it's the B&S underneath the in-progress Erie?

thebigham wrote:
RailKevin wrote:So, they built a wooden trestle just to dump fill from it? That would make for a massive berm. Is it still around today?


Yes, still here at Bing Maps:

https://binged.it/2AXzpKk

New York State has bought the former Erie River Line from Cuba to Belfast and will turn parts of it into The Greenway rail trail.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby thebigham » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:01 pm

Definitely the B&S. A better view in this pic:

http://gallery.alleganyhistory.org./gal ... elfast.jpg

The PRR was straight.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby nydepot » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:09 am

Glad to see this other photo. I know the PRR was straight. Wanted to rule out track for bringing in fill.

Here is another photo from the same area. Lots of fill and the trestle is disappearing.

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thebigham wrote:Definitely the B&S. A better view in this pic:

http://gallery.alleganyhistory.org./gal ... elfast.jpg

The PRR was straight.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby pumpers » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:40 am

That sure is a lot of fill to bring in one wagonload at a time! I wonder where the "borrow pit" was where they got it all from, or if there was a nearby big cut being dug on the Erie.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby Fireman43 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:18 pm

Interesting. OK Help me out here. As I drove along Rt19 many years ago I wondered what the ROW was that paralleled the south side of 19 in the area north ? of the viaduct over the Genesee - So its the B & S .... so THIS fill in the thread is part of the line that went over the Genesee ? I forget what the name of the cutoff was called but was in future years was it the Erie RR?
OK heading back north along Rt 19 a few miles till you hit the sharp bend in the river by Mill Street and before you hit CR 243 i swear there was or is a large concrete retaining wall on the NW inside of the river curve i always thought looked like an abutment for a bridge ( Rail or Highway). Is my memory failing?

thanks for any info.

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Re: What is being built here?

Postby nydepot » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:41 am

Both items you reference are the Pennsylvania Railroad Rochester Branch. And the trestle was the Erie Railroad's River Line.

Fireman43 wrote:Interesting. OK Help me out here. As I drove along Rt19 many years ago I wondered what the ROW was that paralleled the south side of 19 in the area north ? of the viaduct over the Genesee - So its the B & S .... so THIS fill in the thread is part of the line that went over the Genesee ? I forget what the name of the cutoff was called but was in future years was it the Erie RR?
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby pumpers » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:12 am

Fireman43 wrote:Interesting. OK Help me out here. As I drove along Rt19 many years ago I wondered what the ROW was that paralleled the south side of 19 in the area north ? of the viaduct over the Genesee - So its the B & S .

The B&S was west of 19 and along side it in places, but only south of Belfast. North of the viaduct in the picture in Belfast it started climbing up the hill right away to go to Rushford, well west of 19
... so THIS fill in the thread is part of the line that went over the Genesee ? I forget what the name of the cutoff was called but was in future years was it the Erie RR?

Yes, it was built by the Erie in the early 1900's , called the "RIver line", it cut the corner between the existing Erie lines, from Cuba to Portageville, and was abandoned around 1960-1970(?) . Now being turned into a trail
OK heading back north along Rt 19 a few miles till you hit the sharp bend in the river by Mill Street and before you hit CR 243 i swear there was or is a large concrete retaining wall on the NW inside of the river curve i always thought looked like an abutment for a bridge ( Rail or Highway). Is my memory failing?
YOu mean just south of Caneadea? There was what became a Pennsylvania RR line (called the Rochester Branch further north, not sure about down here) along the Genesee valley, often in the old canal R.o.W. South of Mill St it ran along what is now 19 on the east side and north of MIll st it was along 19 on the west side, crossing over near Mill St. That could be what that abutment was for. This line went out in the 1950-1960 time frame I would guess.
A good place to sort it out is http://www.historicaerials.com, which also has old topo maps, or https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/topoview/viewer/#4/40.01/-99.93 . But the B&S was only around about 10 years in the early 1900's, it is not on many of the maps.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby nydepot » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:58 am

Conrail embargoed the River Line on May 8, 1977.

PRR went out in 1963.
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Re: What is being built here?

Postby mkirsch » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:11 am

Another good place to sort it out is Craigslist, amazingly enough. Just find an ad on the Buffalo or Rochester site with a map in it, expand your browser to full screen, and expand the map to full screen.

For some reason those little maps contain all the abandoned rail lines. If you zoom out they are easier to see, but as you zoom in they almost disappear, but they are still there as almost white lines on a light gray background.
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