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Erie photo location

Postby nydepot » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:15 pm

Supposed to be NY. Dated 1960 and nothing else. It's taken from an engine cab that appears to have a bug shield on the nose, which leads me to believe it's a DL&W cab unit.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: Erie photo location

Postby BR&P » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Looks more like a reflection of something inside to me. And if it was summer 1960, that would be before the Erie-DLW merger.

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Re: Erie photo location

Postby nydepot » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:06 pm

Weren't they running trains on combined Erie track by then? Like around Corning-Elmira or something.

Also, DL&W E8s had those translucent bug shields on them. They were rectangular.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby TB Diamond » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:19 pm

The DL&W began operating over the Erie Binghamton-Gibson on August 15, 1959.

The official date of the DL&W/Erie merger was October 17, 1960.

Reference is THE DELAWARE, LACKAWANNA & WESTERN RAILROAD IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY by Thomas Townsend Taber and Thomas Townsend Taber III.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby lvrr325 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:00 am

Certainly looks like it could be around Big Flats.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby BR&P » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:38 am

lvrr325 wrote:Certainly looks like it could be around Big Flats.


A lot changes in 55+ years but maybe you could use aerial photo maps to look for that farm at the right. Based on sun angle I'd guess the pic is taken from a westbound so the farm would be in the northwest quadrant. It's a toss-up - the farm might be there with some of the buildings as reference, or it could be condos and apartments by now.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:13 am

lvrr325 wrote:Certainly looks like it could be around Big Flats.


That's a distinct possibility. It could also be Ashland, which has a long straight section of track in farmland.


BR&P wrote:A lot changes in 55+ years but maybe you could use aerial photo maps to look for that farm at the right. Based on sun angle I'd guess the pic is taken from a westbound so the farm would be in the northwest quadrant. It's a toss-up - the farm might be there with some of the buildings as reference, or it could be condos and apartments by now.


I am thinking the train was eastbound, because I recall the telegraph poles being on the north side of the EL mainline east of Hornell back in the day. Also, the sun is usually on the south side of the tracks (except at sunrise and sunset in warmer months).
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby BR&P » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:30 pm


BR&P wrote: Based on sun angle I'd guess the pic is taken from a westbound so the farm would be in the northwest quadrant.


I am thinking the train was eastbound, because I recall the telegraph poles being on the north side of the EL mainline east of Hornell back in the day. Also, the sun is usually on the south side of the tracks (except at sunrise and sunset in warmer months).


I guess your compass works differently than mine, Matt. If the telegraph poles are on the north, and they are on the right side of the pic, that makes the train westbound. And yes, the sun IS on the south side of the tracks. Image
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:38 pm

I am referring to the approaching train (with the Erie unit leading).
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby JoeS » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:18 pm

I don't see any hills in the background so I have a hard time believing this is in western NY. I looked at the double track segment through Alden but the poles are on the wrong side (assuming the picture is looking westbound) and the Buffalo line had been single-tracked by then.

I would guess Ohio or Indiana, maybe PA? It doesn't "feel" WNY to me.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby BR&P » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:31 pm

Matt Langworthy wrote:I am referring to the approaching train (with the Erie unit leading).


I said the photo was taken from a westbound, you say "I am thinking the train was eastbound...." which seems to contradict my post, as you did not say you were talking about the OTHER train.

I think you have been peeking at my wife's book about how to confuse your husband. She's great at getting me all confused, without her actually being flat out wrong! Image
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:54 pm

JoeS wrote:I don't see any hills in the background so I have a hard time believing this is in western NY. I looked at the double track segment through Alden but the poles are on the wrong side (assuming the picture is looking westbound) and the Buffalo line had been single-tracked by then.

I would guess Ohio or Indiana, maybe PA? It doesn't "feel" WNY to me.


Having photographed NS at Ashland just about a month ago, I can tell you a shot like the one shown above is entirely possible if the photographer doesn't pan out too far. The valley floor is fairly wide there. It is been longer since I've shot in Big Flats, but I'm pretty sure similar conditions would exist there. There also seems to be a bit of haze in the background, which might obscure low hills in the distance.

As an Elmira native, I can tell you that area is not western NY. Finger Lakes, Southern Tier and Twin Tiers all describe the region well but neither Chemung County (which includes both Big Flats and Ashland) nor Steuben County were referred to as western NY when I lived there. There has been a push in recent years to include everything west of Rt 14 as western NY, but I don't agree with it. I agree with the map makers who generally use the Genesee River as the dividing line.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:55 pm

BR&P wrote:
Matt Langworthy wrote:I am referring to the approaching train (with the Erie unit leading).


I said the photo was taken from a westbound, you say "I am thinking the train was eastbound...." which seems to contradict my post, as you did not say you were talking about the OTHER train.

I think you have been peeking at my wife's book about how to confuse your husband. She's great at getting me all confused, without her actually being flat out wrong! Image


Sorry, I should have been more specific.
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby JoeS » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:56 pm

Where exactly is Ashland?
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Re: Erie photo location

Postby charlie6017 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:34 pm

JoeS wrote:Where exactly is Ashland?


Halfway between Catskill and Oneonta........on the opposite side of the state. 😵

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