CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

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CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

Postby rls62 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:23 pm

I heard that the CSX mainline near Utica is flooded and one of the tracks is closed. If anyone out there can add more info about this, I'd appreciate it.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby tree68 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:43 pm

They got hit with a LOT of rain and there was a significant amount of flooding. Pictures abound of cars floating on the Arterial. That it might have affected the Chicago Line would not surprise me.

But that's all I've got for you.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby lvrr325 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:12 pm

Based on the places that flooded I would presume just west of Utica, probably in Oriskany, along River Street, that area has flooded before in these kind of conditions.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby twropr » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:23 am

On Sat. night the 1st I heard a freight crew tell Amtrak #49 that there was water over the tracks west o CP 239. #49 was held in UCA for about 4 hrs.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby tree68 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:18 pm

Utica is MP 237, for those who aren't familiar with that area.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby lvrr325 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:02 pm

CP-239 must be the crossover behind the former Fastrac location along 5A.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby tree68 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:48 am

lvrr325 wrote:CP-239 must be the crossover behind the former Fastrac location along 5A.

I believe you're right.

It's how MA&N's Rome trains get back into the Utica yard, among other things.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby Matt Langworthy » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:52 am

The Albany Division dispatcher did note the flooding, but CSX was able to get some traffic through the Utica area on Monday night (7/3). I saw 4 trains at Chili Jct in Riga, including Amtrak and 2 auto rack freights- which would have had to pass through Utica.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby ut-1 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:11 am

Here's a video I took showing the Sauquoit Creek floodwaters cresting in Utica on July 1st. Farther downstream, CSX crosses the Sauquoit (which then joins-up with the Mohawk River in Whitestown not far from the CSX main).

To my knowledge, the NYS&W didn't sustain much, if any, damage (NYS&W's Utica line runs along the Sauquoit creek from S Utica to Paris).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf-J24l0_bI
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica

Postby Noel Weaver » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:53 am

This is an outstanding piece of work. I'll bet the T V stations don't have anything that good. Thanks for sharing with us.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

Postby litz » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:20 pm

Believe it or not, you can still traverse flooded tracks (presuming the structure is not compromised) at a limited speed, up to a certain point ...

Like 5mph, and 4" over the trackhead. It's in the operational rules, and locomotive manuals.

The concern is sucking water into the traction motors through the air ventilation system.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

Postby tree68 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:20 pm

litz wrote:The concern is sucking water into the traction motors through the air ventilation system.

I've always been under the impression that air for the traction motors came from within the carbody.

That said, unless the motors are completely sealed, water will find it's way in...
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

Postby sd80mac » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:40 am

litz wrote:Believe it or not, you can still traverse flooded tracks (presuming the structure is not compromised) at a limited speed, up to a certain point ...

Like 5mph, and 4" over the trackhead. It's in the operational rules, and locomotive manuals.

The concern is sucking water into the traction motors through the air ventilation system.


Has been done... Amtrak and conrail crawled through flood section west of Newark. about a mile west of OMID connection
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

Postby litz » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:22 pm

There's some interesting reading here :

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/manual/manual.html

For instance, let's take one very popular model used on many railroads, the SD40-2 ...

Section 3-21 "Running Through Water"

RUNNING THROUGH WATER

Under ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES should the locomotive be operated through water deep enough to touch the bottom of the traction motors. Water any deeper than 3" above the rail is likely to cause traction motor damage.

When passing through any water on the rails, exercise every precaution under such circumstances and always go very slowly, never exceeding 2 to 3 MPH.
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Re: CSX mainline flooded near Utica - July 2017

Postby sd80mac » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:19 pm

Oh!!! HECK WITH THE RULEBOOKS! SOAK THESE PEOPLE AND CARS!!! WHO CARES!!

https://youtu.be/iszFBIi_XIw


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