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Help identify this NYC station

Postby NYCUticaSyracuse81 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:21 pm

Thought that it was the NYC/West Shore Station at Wampsville, NY when I bid on this RPPC, but now I'm not so sure. Certainly looks like it was built by The New York Central.

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Re: Need Help Identifying This Station

Postby CPSmith » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:05 pm

cleaned up a little ... hope this helps
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Re: Need Help Identifying This Station

Postby NYCUticaSyracuse81 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:12 pm

Much clearer! Thank you. Well, I thought it could be Mexico, NY, but the windows are too low. Doesn't appear to be Stittville either. It definitely fits the mold of early 20th century NYC branchline stations. But, it may also very well be just as it's labeled, which is the Wampsville NYC station on the West Shore. The book only has a cropped photograph from the opposite side of the above picture showing an electrified third rail, and track of what appears to be a similar looking station at Wampsville. According to Taibi's Oneida Railway Company book, there was a West Shore shelter, which was moved several times, then replaced by a NYC Shelter that was moved for W.S. use, perhaps when they built the above station? The book states that the NYC main abandoned passenger service at Wampsville in 1920. Perhaps this is the final NYC station, and was possibly moved for the Oneida Railway Company after 1920? I can't see any tracks in the photo either.
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Re: Need Help Identifying This Station

Postby lvrr325 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:03 am

Original NYC main and the West Shore were only maybe 30 yards apart through Wampsville, would there really have been a need for separate stations there?
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Re: Need Help Identifying This Station

Postby NYCUticaSyracuse81 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:37 am

Wampsville had at least three stations. I get really confused because they were moved several times. The West Shore/Oneida Railway Co. Had a shelter on the south side of the go buggy line, which was moved several times then replaced by the NYC shelter. There was also a wood station built by the NYC, and used by the Oneida Railway Co. It is on page 50 of Tabai's Oneida Railway book. I don't think the above is the Wampsville station as I noticed some discrepancies between the two. Now Im really interested in identifying this station
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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby NYCUticaSyracuse81 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:19 pm

I just got the new West Shore book. Could this be the South Utica station?
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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby jurtz » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:29 am

NYCUticaSyracuse81 wrote:I just got the new West Shore book. Could this be the South Utica station?


What is this new West Shore book to which you refer?
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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby mackdave » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:54 am

Here's a link to a source for the book

http://www.nycshs.net/Along-The-Old-Wes ... _1032.html

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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby nydepot » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:33 pm

It does not resemble a WS station. A later NYC replacement maybe?

Considering the WS was third rail here maybe it was just this depot?

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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby NYCUticaSyracuse81 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:44 pm

nydepot wrote:It does not resemble a WS station. A later NYC replacement maybe?

Considering the WS was third rail here maybe it was just this depot?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/97630304@N02/16765378939


The West Shore station at South Utica was clearly built by the NYC, as it's completely unlike the Queen Anne style commonly seen in every original West Shore station. It probably had an original that likely burned or something prior to the one photographed in the new W.S. book? This looks very similar to the one in the above postcard, which is hand written on the back as being the West Shore Line at Wampsville, NY. Wampsville apparently had a shelter built by the Oneida Railroad Company Go Buggy Line, moved several times, then a shelter which was a hand me down from the NYC for the Shore/Oneida Railway Co., and at some point a wood structure similar to the one above for the West Shore/Oneida Railway Company. Confusing since the West Shore was electrified for only 23 years, and passenger service ceased between Utica and Syracuse on the Shore after the 1930 abandonment of The Oneida Railway Company. However the picture of the latter supposedly pictured in Taibi's Oneida Railway book is cropped, and taken from a different angle, and as I recall the windows on the end are different than the above. And it's not Mexico, Stittville, or Red Creek. Those are the only elongated NYC stations I'm aware of built in this commonly seen design. Many others built were identical, but not elongated. Then I finally saw a photo of the West Shore's S. Utica passenger station, and got me thinking that the one above may have been misidentified?
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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby WShore4Ever » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:45 pm

I did a little digging and located an Annual Report of the Board of Railroad Commissioners of the State of New York for 1906 Vol 1, pg. 124-125 that sheds some light on this thread. Prior to 1906 the West Shore passenger station in Utica was located on Hammond St., near South St., in what today is known as "East" Utica. This put it near the end of the South St. trolley line. There was no station on Genesee St. in what today is known as "South" Utica. Clearly an either/or situation. The Genesee St. location put the new station at the end of the dedicated ROW for the electrified section of the West Shore between Utica and Syracuse and this is indicated as part of the justification for the move. Most likely, the design would follow contemporary NYC practice rather than the 1883 NYWS&BRy style. If this is indeed the WS station, the lack of an agent window in the subject photo suggests the view is to the west, with the track on the back side of the structure as photographed.

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From the 1917 NYC Valuation Maps the Genesee St. Station was 70-8 x 22-5 in size.
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Re: Help identify this NYC station

Postby NYCUticaSyracuse81 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:25 pm

WShore4Ever wrote:I did a little digging and located an Annual Report of the Board of Railroad Commissioners of the State of New York for 1906 Vol 1, pg. 124-125 that sheds some light on this thread. Prior to 1906 the West Shore passenger station in Utica was located on Hammond St., near South St., in what today is known as "East" Utica. This put it near the end of the South St. trolley line. There was no station on Genesee St. in what today is known as "South" Utica. Clearly an either/or situation. The Genesee St. location put the new station at the end of the dedicated ROW for the electrified section of the West Shore between Utica and Syracuse and this is indicated as part of the justification for the move. Most likely, the design would follow contemporary NYC practice rather than the 1883 NYWS&BRy style. If this is indeed the WS station, the lack of an agent window in the subject photo suggests the view is to the west, with the track on the back side of the structure as photographed.

1906 NYS RR Commission Report.jpg


From the 1917 NYC Valuation Maps the Genesee St. Station was 70-8 x 22-5 in size.
S. Utica WSRR Map.jpg


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Wow! Thanks for all the digging!! Perhaps the new station was built for the 1907 electrification? I just bought a postcard of what took me a while to identify as the NYC station at Red Creek. There are only a finite number of stations this could be, as the NYC didn't build many of these elongated type structures. It's hard to make comparisons as most know photographs are front shots. Thanks again. I just received a real photograph in the mail of the West Shore crossing the NYC mainline near Weedsport. Click my Flick link below...should be the first photo for now.
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