Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby RussNelson » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:36 pm

B&M 1227 wrote:On the subject of the Albany Northern, I've followed a bit of it's ROW south of Schaghticoke. In the winter the roadbed is actually very visible at Snyders (MP462 where the pan am main turns eastward away from the Hudson), where you see it disappearing southward, hugging the hillside on an embankment.

I've traced it. Bunches of it are visible. There seems to be an extant bridge over the Tomhannock Creek. I want to get back there and grab a photo of it, if possible. It says that that is snowmobile Route 92, so maybe it's free of brush? Looks like it is from the Google Streetview Photos.
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby RussNelson » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:00 am

trainsinmaine wrote:I don't know what that pier is to which I alluded.

This pier: https://www.flickr.com/photos/63051795@N00/5942034804 and I have no idea what it's for either. I think the best guess is that it was built as a loading pier for river traffic.
It would be interesting to drive to the spot you suggested to see whether any remnants of the easterly abutment can still be seen. I've driven down River Road a couple of times in years past and noticed the Albany Northern ROW (plainly evident in certain places). but I was never able to figure out where the river crossing was. I'll have to search it out more closely the next time I travel to that area.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/95028158 shows the routing of the A&N. There seems to be nothing left of the abutments.
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby pumpers » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:16 am

RussNelson wrote:
trainsinmaine wrote:I don't know what that pier is to which I alluded.

This pier: https://www.flickr.com/photos/63051795@N00/5942034804 and I have no idea what it's for either. I think the best guess is that it was built as a loading pier for river traffic.

This map (supposedly from 1891) shows "Troy Water Works" at the foot of 23rd St. Perhaps the pier is related to that. (The map shows 23rd, 24th, 25th, etc, instead of the modern 123, 124, 125 st etc -- somewhere since then 100 got added). Note also the "overlay" function is off by a few blocks -- you can get calibrated by the Broad St Bridge from Waterford.
http://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/rumsey/1574.041
I got the next link (the actual map) from clicking on "view as overlay" in the first link
http://rumsey.georeferencer.com/map/kAY ... /visualize

Found this too: 123rd st pumping station was built in 1880 and closed in 1906
https://www.rpi.edu/dept/chem-eng/Biote ... upply2.htm

One more: see the picture on the top of page 72. Is that pier with the small shed on it the original of what remains today? The stonework sure looks similar . Was the inlet to the pump station in this pier?
https://books.google.com/books?id=srTW2 ... oy&f=false
Modern view: https://www.google.com/maps/place/123rd ... 73.6704688
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby RichCoffey » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:14 pm

If interested…
Photos of the Old RR Bridge and Rail Trail in Round Lake
https://rc-pedalpoint.blogspot.com/2013/11/zim-smith-trail.html
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby RichCoffey » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:23 pm

Great Sleuthing by all !

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re abandoned line along the east side of the Hudson (Albany Northern RR)
I will have to trek someday - it looks interesting!

Albany Northern Railroad ROW - ITO Map
http://product.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-73.65191&lat=42.86674&zoom=13&open_sidebar=clickthrough_wrapper

Bing Birds Eye - ROW
https://binged.it/2cd4uSl
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This looks like an embankment to me
42.8348573,-73.6640808
https://binged.it/2cd3DkH
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby Engineer Spike » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:20 pm

The line to Crescent, wasn't it Boston Hoosac Tunnel & Western? I don't know how the D&H got its parallel line. It may have been D&H, or a predecessor.

Waterford Jct. on the D&H is called JA, for the name of the interlocking which was there. Onetime D&H dispatcher Gordon Smith posted something about a passenger run from Troy, going north. It talked about coming out at JA, which surprised me. I would have thought that it would have joined the main at WX, in Watervliet.
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby B&M 1227 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:35 pm

Yes, I believe it was the BHT&W. BHT&W was built under D&H interests to compete with Troy & Greenfield traffic, routing it through Schenectady originally, prior to the building of the Rotterdam Branch. At various times BHT&W had grand ambitions of Buffalo, as well as Boston, but only ever succeeded in building a 60 mile railroad from the VT state line to RJ.
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Re: Rt 9. rail bridge Round Lake

Postby Mdudek » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:26 pm

pumpers wrote:
RussNelson wrote:
trainsinmaine wrote:I don't know what that pier is to which I alluded.

This pier: https://www.flickr.com/photos/63051795@N00/5942034804 and I have no idea what it's for either. I think the best guess is that it was built as a loading pier for river traffic.

This map (supposedly from 1891) shows "Troy Water Works" at the foot of 23rd St. Perhaps the pier is related to that. (The map shows 23rd, 24th, 25th, etc, instead of the modern 123, 124, 125 st etc -- somewhere since then 100 got added). Note also the "overlay" function is off by a few blocks -- you can get calibrated by the Broad St Bridge from Waterford.
http://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/rumsey/1574.041
I got the next link (the actual map) from clicking on "view as overlay" in the first link
http://rumsey.georeferencer.com/map/kAY ... /visualize

Found this too: 123rd st pumping station was built in 1880 and closed in 1906
https://www.rpi.edu/dept/chem-eng/Biote ... upply2.htm

One more: see the picture on the top of page 72. Is that pier with the small shed on it the original of what remains today? The stonework sure looks similar . Was the inlet to the pump station in this pier?
https://books.google.com/books?id=srTW2 ... oy&f=false
Modern view: https://www.google.com/maps/place/123rd ... 73.6704688



The structure you are referring to was the intake for the Lansingburgh (and later then Troy) waterworks. There was a pump station at the foot of 123rd St (behind the strip mall) that filled the resivoirs along Northern Dr (just past where the old B&M ROW - now the bike path) cross. The streets had the "1" added after Lansingburgh and Troy merged in 1901.
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