On this date in Rochester rail history...

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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby CPSmith » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:13 pm

... and the next morning, you wake up next to this:

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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby charlie6017 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:22 pm

That pretty much says it all!! :P :P
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:54 pm

Excellent pics! The first is the Genesee Junction Traveling Switcher, eastbound on Track 1 west of CP35, I'd guess 1967, with a former Big Four caboose. The second is apparently a yard job, possibly YT-1, crossing from Track 6 to 5 at the same location.
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:52 am

October 26, 1946

A sad day on the B&O. A road crew arrived from East Salamanca in the pre-dawn darkness. The 2 steam engines went to the far end of Brooks Avenue yard and nosed onto their caboose, and shoved it through thick fog toward Lincoln Park. A short distance north on the Chili Avenue overpass, a crew member of another train saw the dark shape approaching and mistook it for his own power, and lined a switch into a siding. The road train left the main and collided with a standing cut of cars, totally demolishing the caboose. The conductor and flagman were injured, and two brakemen in the caboose - Walter Veite and Willard Wesch, lost their lives.
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby HexOmega2319 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:21 pm

BR&P wrote:October 26, 1946

A sad day on the B&O. A road crew arrived from East Salamanca in the pre-dawn darkness. The 2 steam engines went to the far end of Brooks Avenue yard and nosed onto their caboose, and shoved it through thick fog toward Lincoln Park. A short distance north on the Chili Avenue overpass, a crew member of another train saw the dark shape approaching and mistook it for his own power, and lined a switch into a siding. The road train left the main and collided with a standing cut of cars, totally demolishing the caboose. The conductor and flagman were injured, and two brakemen in the caboose - Walter Veite and Willard Wesch, lost their lives.


Very interesting that you mention that.. I've always been creeped out walking class 1 brake tests along that stretch of track at night and the other R&S guys would often tell stories of seeing things and hearing things. Brooks Avenue's yard office and Lincoln Park are especially creepy. Do you have any other excerpts about facilities on the BR&P/B&O in the Rochester area?
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:10 am

BR&P/B&O was like any other railroad, it had its share of fatalities and incidents. I actually am working (sporadically) on a list of BR&P employee fatalities. Some of them are strange by today's standards - boiler explosions, falling off the top of a boxcar - and others are things that still kill people today - walking between cars just as they begin moving, getting off a train and being struck by movement on an adjacent track.

During the 40's a B&O dispatcher passed away right at the desk. in 1897 there was a head-on between Leroy and DL&W Jct involving a snowplow, conductor & brakeman killed. If you work the road job, take a moment next time you round Gayton's Curve, take your hat off for Louis Franks, a fireman killed in a wreck there. How about Train 28 taking the siding at Lime Rock and they can't find brakeman Harry Munger? Went to P&L and made a report, took the train to Garbutt and then took the engine back to look for him. They found him at Beaver Meadow, he had fallen and been run over.

Sad stuff but that's reality. So if you are out in some desolate spot and feel the hair on the back of your neck stand up....who knows? Might be one of those guys giving you a freindly "hello". :wink:
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby HexOmega2319 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:12 am

BR&P wrote:BR&P/B&O was like any other railroad, it had its share of fatalities and incidents. I actually am working (sporadically) on a list of BR&P employee fatalities. Some of them are strange by today's standards - boiler explosions, falling off the top of a boxcar - and others are things that still kill people today - walking between cars just as they begin moving, getting off a train and being struck by movement on an adjacent track.

During the 40's a B&O dispatcher passed away right at the desk. in 1897 there was a head-on between Leroy and DL&W Jct involving a snowplow, conductor & brakeman killed. If you work the road job, take a moment next time you round Gayton's Curve, take your hat off for Louis Franks, a fireman killed in a wreck there. How about Train 28 taking the siding at Lime Rock and they can't find brakeman Harry Munger? Went to P&L and made a report, took the train to Garbutt and then took the engine back to look for him. They found him at Beaver Meadow, he had fallen and been run over.

Sad stuff but that's reality. So if you are out in some desolate spot and feel the hair on the back of your neck stand up....who knows? Might be one of those guys giving you a freindly "hello". :wink:


The yard off at Brooks was a very creepy place to be in at night, you could hear footsteps walking around upstairs when the door was locked, you could hear talking coming from the basement and if you were walking out to your car in the middle of the night you could swear that someone was watching you from the top of the yard office. It's hard to imagine walking in the exact spot that somebody died in... One of the creepiest spots on the entire line (and many other railroaders on the R&S agree) was Crocker North along the old Genesee Leroy Stone. Many people talk of "Frank" the guy who died after going over the quarry in a snowmobile. Idk if it's just the abandoned buildings or the inherent desolation of the location but it's not the coziest place to have to do a brake test..
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby JoeS » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:30 pm

BR&P wrote:BR&P/B&O was like any other railroad, it had its share of fatalities and incidents. I actually am working (sporadically) on a list of BR&P employee fatalities. Some of them are strange by today's standards - boiler explosions, falling off the top of a boxcar - and others are things that still kill people today - walking between cars just as they begin moving, getting off a train and being struck by movement on an adjacent track.

During the 40's a B&O dispatcher passed away right at the desk. in 1897 there was a head-on between Leroy and DL&W Jct involving a snowplow, conductor & brakeman killed. If you work the road job, take a moment next time you round Gayton's Curve, take your hat off for Louis Franks, a fireman killed in a wreck there. How about Train 28 taking the siding at Lime Rock and they can't find brakeman Harry Munger? Went to P&L and made a report, took the train to Garbutt and then took the engine back to look for him. They found him at Beaver Meadow, he had fallen and been run over.

Sad stuff but that's reality. So if you are out in some desolate spot and feel the hair on the back of your neck stand up....who knows? Might be one of those guys giving you a freindly "hello". :wink:
The Beaver Meadow that you mentioned, is that near Bird on the Rochester branch or is that where Beaver siding was?
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:32 pm

I'm told Beaver Meadow was the water tank about a mile give or take north of DL&W Jct. Mention of it is very scarce but the info on the fatality gave that name.
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:15 am

November 12, 2970

Final closing of Charlotte Docks. :( The trestle stood unused for a couple more years before being torn down.
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby CPSmith » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:51 pm

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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:24 am

HexOmega2319 wrote:
Very interesting that you mention that.. I've always been creeped out walking class 1 brake tests along that stretch of track at night and the other R&S guys would often tell stories of seeing things and hearing things. Brooks Avenue's yard office and Lincoln Park are especially creepy. Do you have any other excerpts about facilities on the BR&P/B&O in the Rochester area?


Not sure if you meant facilities or fatalities. But here is one of the latter.

November 17, 1904 Lincoln Park Yard engine was kicking 4 flat cars down the main at Hague Street. They did not clear and the train was backed against them to shove hem clear. Switchman William J. Giblin, 35, was climbing onto a flat car as the train struck them. He was knocked off and run over. :(
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:11 pm

Well, my intent on this thread was to post on the date in question. This one got by me by a couple days but thought it was interesting enough to bend the rule.

Lehigh Valley Railroad
Telegraphic train order No. 63
Superintendent's Office Buffalo NY
12/6/1898
Form 31 All eastbound trains Batavia NY

An express car stands off track on eastbound track at No. Leroy with out protection. Trains will stop west of cross over at this point and not proceed until the car has been removed. LVA

Signed for by Conductor Murdock
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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:02 pm

Another one from way back when. North Leroy was a busy place at times - now you have to look closely to see where the LV even ran through there. :(

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Telegraphic Train Order
Superintendent's Office Buffalo NY
12/10/1898

Batavia C&E All (East bound? - hard to read) Trains

After Exa 705 & Exa 279 east & No 148 arrive at North Leroy, No 149 & Extras 286 & 387 will run the east bound track North Leroy to Stafford & has right of track over all eastbound trains.

Time received 536 PM OK given at 543 PM

Signed for by Conductor Knight, train X272 & 469

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Re: On this date in Rochester rail history...

Postby BR&P » Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:15 pm

December 11, 1978

The Second Belt job, while usually sent to Kodak each evening, was also advertised to work Pittsford. On this night, they took no less than 10 cars down the Auburn Road, 1 load of liquor, and 9 empties for Zornow to load with grain. Each of the next 3 nights Pittsford was their first move, going out to respot the empties and bring back loads. Today traces of that line continue to fade away.
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