Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby pumpers » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:06 pm

THis thread is over 7 years old. But when did people really start talking (speculating) about a new bridge?
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby JoeS » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:51 pm

On the Rochester Area Railfans page on Facebook I read that the cutover to the new bridge begins tomorrow morning (11 December) at 10 AM.
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby johnpbarlow » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:42 am

At 0530 Monday 12/11/17, an NS 920 stone train (actually the Georgetown Rail DumpTrain, I believe) has arrived Binghamton and is alleged to be headed to the Portage Bridge. Simultaneously NS310 manifest led by CSX 3361 has arrived Binghamton - wondering if this was the last train over the old bridge? Probably not...

Update at 0620: apparently an I2K intermodal train was the last train over the old trestle as of 0135AM.
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby Matt Langworthy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:35 am

pumpers wrote:THis thread is over 7 years old. But when did people really start talking (speculating) about a new bridge?
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I recall conversation about a new bridge back in 2008, when falling debris from the old bridge prompted NS to temporarily close it and reroute traffic via the Buffalo Line/WN&P.
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby KevinD » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:44 am

Does anybody know where these stone trains are originating out of?
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby scottychaos » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:03 am

pumpers wrote:THis thread is over 7 years old. But when did people really start talking (speculating) about a new bridge?
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Cant really know for sure..I think its a safe bet that people started talking and speculating about it in the 1970's.

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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby sd80mac » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:45 am

Matt Langworthy wrote:
pumpers wrote:THis thread is over 7 years old. But when did people really start talking (speculating) about a new bridge?
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I recall conversation about a new bridge back in 2008, when falling debris from the old bridge prompted NS to temporarily close it and reroute traffic via the Buffalo Line/WN&P.


I think that the talk was before that. Something to do with inland port at buffalo and bridge need to be replace to support 286,000 lbs cars for that..

State were looking away when NS ask for help until NS found serious crack and/or missing rivets that NS had to shut it down. Then the talk got real serious about having new bridge.
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby thebigham » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:16 pm

Today is the day!

Two trains went through Attica earlier that are headed to Letchworth.
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby sd80mac » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:30 pm




your posting time is 3:54 pm one hour ahead... did you forget to adjust your time saving on your computer?
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby nydepot » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:35 pm

Not my photo and I just happened to post it then.
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your posting time is 3:54 pm one hour ahead... did you forget to adjust your time saving on your computer?
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby KevinD » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:55 pm

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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby JoeS » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:55 pm

pumpers wrote:THis thread is over 7 years old. But when did people really start talking (speculating) about a new bridge?
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I've been reviewing a document, HAER NY-124 which has a lot of information about the Erie RR and its structures, bridges, etc. HAER stands for Historic American Engineering Record and this 472 page document is exclusively devoted to Erie.

In the section on the Portage Viaduct, it says:

"The strengthened span proved adequate until 1944, when the 423-ton Berkshires were shifted from the Marion to Meadville run, as diesels replaced them, to the Buffalo Division. The Portage Viaduct had not been built for locomotives of this size, especially if they were double-headed. Only war-time material priorities prevented the erection of an entirely new bridge. The repairs proved to be interesting.
The Railway Age, commenting about the work, noted, "Owing partly to the nature of the repairs and partly to the extreme height of the towers, the tallest being nearly 200 feet high, many difficult problems were encountered in carrying out the strengthening work, which was confined entirely to the towers."

So it appears that a new bridge was considered as early as 1944, and probably placed permanently on the back burner as Erie's profits fell in the 1950s and 60s.

Here's the link to the document: http://cdn.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ ... 55data.pdf
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby joesbag » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:08 am

Batavia Daily News article regarding opening of the new bridge 12/11/17

http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn01 ... n-20171212
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Re: Portageville Bridge Replacement, Future Tier Traffic

Postby thebigham » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:35 am



A cake with a CSX loco! LOL
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