NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby ccutler » Fri May 04, 2018 6:41 am

Thanks for posting. That's the end of the Dundee Spur. It's been bought by a developer at an IRS auction, after the IRS seized the line from its prior owner for indebtedness to the IRS. Sad ending.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby rr503 » Fri May 04, 2018 6:47 am

Insteresting that they claim there have been no active customers for five years/are no prospective customers. Anyone know what the deal with that is?
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby airman00 » Fri May 04, 2018 9:17 pm

I don’t think the no customers thing is entirely true... go back in this thread one page and you will see the NYGL got at least 2 covered hoppers recently. What is that then? And I thought railroads had some kind of protection against someone buying a line just to rip it up.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby pdtrains » Fri May 04, 2018 10:23 pm

Did the NYGL owners really try to develop business, or was it "the trash and debris business, or bust" Its sad to see someone potentially with the best of intentions...like storing museum equipment..just walk away from everything. I wonder how much was owed the IRS? NJ is just one big suburb anymore, and a member in good standing of the NE rust belt.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby Angus202 » Sat May 05, 2018 1:36 pm

Pretty sad how this operation played out. I noticed ties laid between the gauge at the interchange track as far back as December '17, not sure if the section of rail Sully mentioned was removed then, but it sure is now along with the tie plates and joint bars.

Passed by the "HQ" a few weeks back as well, the only thing that even resembled an operational machine was a backhoe that had recently pushed some soil around the yard there. I know the geeps don't run, but can anyone comment if they were at least stored drained & serviceable? Hope they can find a home somewhere instead of being scraped on site, as I'm sure the bulk of equipment will be.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby kamerad47 » Sun May 06, 2018 6:02 pm

I don't know what they can do with that property , there are so many empty things down there shoprite moved out & that area has never recovered from that fire 25yrs ago!!!!!!!!! They were trans loading scrap but NS were charging too much $$$$$ to interchange so that stopped!!!
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby Ken W2KB » Sun May 06, 2018 9:10 pm

airman00 wrote:I don’t think the no customers thing is entirely true... go back in this thread one page and you will see the NYGL got at least 2 covered hoppers recently. What is that then? And I thought railroads had some kind of protection against someone buying a line just to rip it up.


The Internal Revenue Code trumps just about everything else when it comes to collecting delinquent taxes. That said, the link indicated the STB application for abandonment approval.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby pdtrains » Sun May 06, 2018 11:52 pm

I heard that the problem was excessive rules are regs from the local city halls made it impossible to have a C&D station there without insane expenditures. If I know NJ politics at all...there's some friend of city hall, or even a local politician who has his eyes set on building a condo complex there. There's no such thing as conflict of interest in NJ. The politicians blatantly have there fingers in the cookie jar. IMHO, of course.....
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby blockline4180 » Mon May 07, 2018 10:17 am

Ill tell ya... Reading the document and hearing about this news really makes one want to slit their wrists or bang your head against a wall!!
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby Shalom » Mon May 07, 2018 5:00 pm

Damn. That file says it all.

Shame, too. Didn't they just recently (less than ten years ago) redo the rails under the pavement on Monroe street?

I hope they salvage the equipment that's been rusting away in their "yard" before they rip all the tracks out, but I doubt it'll move by rail because the application specifically says they are "Not A Carrier". Hell I'd buy some of that and stick it in my own back yard, just to see it not go to the scrapper. Isn't there a Fairmont speeder in there?

edit: and who owns that stuff anyway? I seem to remember that the URHS had some of their equipment on that property, once upon a time.

I'm also hoping they'll keep the curved bridge over the Passaic River. Maybe they can put on a deck and fences/guardrails and repurpose it as a pedestrian bridge. They'll need it for access to the north end of Pulaski Park from Garfield anyway, there's no other way in there from the north.

I also noticed in the file that the property in question extends all the way up to Monroe Street, presumably where it interchanged with the long-gone NYSW branch that terminated there from the north (although you can still see a few crossings that haven't been paved over yet, but the bridge is long gone.) This right of way has long been encroached on north of Passaic Avenue past the abandoned school administration building. I wonder if the new owners are going to have some words with the owners of that property.

edit again: if it's going to be a park anyway, maybe they could leave the rails in place and have speeder rides... hey, a man can dream.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby Otto Vondrak » Wed May 09, 2018 5:57 pm

So what happens to the ex-NYGL equipment stored there?
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby sullivan1985 » Thu May 10, 2018 4:27 am

Otto Vondrak wrote:So what happens to the ex-NYGL equipment stored there?


Most likely...

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby Sid Farkus » Sun May 13, 2018 1:32 am

If this company is bankrupt, what happens to the equipment in Port Jervis?
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Postby DogBert » Wed May 16, 2018 8:33 am

Sid Farkus wrote:If this company is bankrupt, what happens to the equipment in Port Jervis?


The same party or someone else got it at auction.

If anyone wants to save that stuff, they should reach out to the new owners and see if they in fact own the port jervis equipment too. Is it on Metro North property though?

I'd imagine they own anything left on the dundee now. There is a nice caboose, alco FA and perhaps some other cars worth saving down there. Now would be the time to see what can be done.
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