Photo of Penn Station debris dumped in Meadowlands?

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Postby NJTRailfan » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:00 am

Shelly Silvwer is NY's Jim McGreevy. But I wish he'd get out like McGreevy the like rat that he is. He serves 0 purpose at all.

The man is clearly worthless protecting the intrest of a greedy Dolan and constantly go against the will of the people that he took an oath to serve. He is a public servant there to serve the needs of his public and not for his selfish desires because he is a Die Hard Rangers Fan. Dolan is worse the anyone from the Steinbrenner family put together. The stuff that they have done alone by going out of their way above and beyond time and time again to kill this project then celebrate over it should warrant a cell out in Rikers with the general population.

What disgusts me is that despite all the trouble he had given George Pataki, Elliot Spitzer, and other supporters includign Patrick Moynihan's daughter over the Moynihan Station (which by the way is named after a man with integrety, respect from all people and a man who truely beleived in his county and the city he served for many years in which Sheldon Silver is the total opposite) he never recieved nowhere near the bad press as the two governors even though he tried to block a law that would protect children from criminals called Jessica's Law.

How does New York get such ilk and put up with it is beyond me. It's no wonder why we here in the tri state are constantly viewed as the laughing stock by the rest of the country.

Good people are always screwed in this part of the country while the Silvers, McGreevys, and the Florios get away with it everytime.
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Postby Jtgshu » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:20 am

Where is the "rolleyes" smiley when you need it...........
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Postby NY&LB » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:09 am

F 45: If you look at Sir Ray's posting you can see the 4 car MP 54 train and "snake hill" in the distant background, the dump site is EAST {and SOUTH} of Secaucas station and the area has mostly been built over by the warehouses and truck terminals you see when riding the train to NYP.
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Postby C. Crane » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:32 pm

since any pix found was taken decades ago, most of the debris has been either buried by warehouse development or possibly looted away.

I stumbled across a website a year or so ago of some modern archaeologists using ground penetrating radar to locate what was actually left of the Penn Station debris. They located a couple of spots under parking lots that looked promising but I know not of what has happened since.

remember the Pennsy was losing a Million Dollars a day when the decision was made to sell of Penn Station... a horrendously short sighted act.

Alexander Cassat is STILL spinning in his grave!


oh BTW, I am neither a Democrat or wealthy, but I can tell you for a FACT that Jim Florio did not personally profit from his time in office. And perhaps one should recall that as Chairman of the House Transportation Committe he was instrumental in the creation of Conrail as well as protecting the jobs and pensions of Railwaymen at the time.
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Postby Mr. Ed » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:39 am

No, but he sure is profiting from the condo deal that is going in at P'burg. Sadly, I voted for the bum. But then again I thought the Eagles were going to be in the playoffs. Who knew!

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Postby CRB » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:40 pm

NJTRailfan wrote:How dare they destroy a structure like this and repalce it with a useless venue that houses the worst basketball and hockey team in history of the sports


Hey, lets not dump on the Rangers. They have been playing very well the past few years.
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Postby NJTRailfan » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:59 am

Forget all of them! I'm still soured over the NHL Strike and even the baseball strike of 1994. Those guys get more money then most in this country will ever see in a lifetime and are treated like Kings. The pro sports in this country is like a cartel/mafia.
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Postby Otto Vondrak » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:02 am

Please stick to the topic of the Penn Station debris dumping ground. Thanks.

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Postby Steve F45 » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:11 pm

is it possible someone can take like a google earth map and kinda draw a circle in the area where its suspected debris might be?
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Postby Otto Vondrak » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:01 pm

Why? Gonna dig some up? :-)
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Postby B_A_R » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:10 pm

Maybe this is common knowledge here, but one of the large boxy track signs from Penn Station is preserved at the Whippany museum.

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Postby NJTRailfan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:40 am

It's too bad more wern't preserved otherwise you could've somehow incorporated them into the CNJ Terminal in Jersey City. They would've looked nicer there and more of the station would be around for all to enjoy and learn just like the marker commemoration for CNJ employees is between Tracks 10 and 11. No doubt URHS has a few stored away somewhere if Whippany has one.

I'll also bet that an ex PRR/PC employee or even a railfan probably has one themselves just waiting to be shown off.
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Postby Steve F45 » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:41 am

Otto Vondrak wrote:Why? Gonna dig some up? :-)


no no, dont want to get arrested. more for curiosity really.
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Postby NJTRailfan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:44 am

i personally don't think you'll be arrested as long as you have permission of the property owner and tell them what you want to do. Quite a few groupshave been there before. but if you do plan to dig be sure to check with the State and City first so that they can tell you if there are any utltiies underground that you must watch out for. Last thing you want is to dig up a gas line or knock out power and water for thousands of people.
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Postby Steve F45 » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:56 am

NJTRailfan wrote:i personally don't think you'll be arrested as long as you have permission of the property owner and tell them what you want to do. Quite a few groupshave been there before. but if you do plan to dig be sure to check with the State and City first so that they can tell you if there are any utltiies underground that you must watch out for. Last thing you want is to dig up a gas line or knock out power and water for thousands of people.


I wouldn't go on the business properties, i mean most are open on weekends and dont want to get in the way even with permission. Plus if groups have gone before and didn't find anything i doubt i'll find anything by myself. But there are a few offroad trails near the jersey city firing range and a few what seem to be walkign trails near DB draw on the secaucus side. Is this in the general area?
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