NS H-02 - sightings and reports

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Re: NS H-02 - sightings and reports

Postby pumpers » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:34 pm

pd, you answered my question - that the only traffic that comes in or out of NJ on the Washington Secondary is for the ex DLW lines (and a few CNJ stubs).
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Re: NS H-02 - sightings and reports

Postby pdtrains » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm

Yea. cars for the erie side, and the old boonton below paterson, goes thru croxton and is handled by NS, xcpt for the northern br, which is handled by CSX thru North Bergen, and I think CSX also switches the very south end of the old DLW harrison branch off the M&E, just east of the Newark draw.
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Re: NS H-02 - sightings and reports

Postby blockline4180 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:57 pm

rr503 wrote:
pdtrains wrote:OT, but yea, the state of NJ has certainly helped persuade 90% (or more) of the industry in north jersey to leave. Some would have left anyway, and Conrail was no help at all. They wanted to eliminate as much carload freight as possible. Trying to talk their local customers into trucking freight from a pad at Croxton to their companies, and ripping out team tracks, cause their lawyers considered team tracks a liability.


Absolutely. The big issue (that few like to talk about) is the fact that there are *way* too many pieces of local government in this state. 21 counties is a bit much, but whatever -- the fact we have 565 municipalities is ridiculous. That's one for every 16k people, and each one is levying its own set of taxes to fund governmental structures that are in many cases redundant. The economies of scale that could be realized if even a hundred were cut would be massive, and would vastly reduce tax load w/o cutting services...but I digress from trains.

One big question with this new operator is whether or not they'll push harder for bridge elevation/higher weight clearances with NJ. There was a study a couple of years back, but, to my knowledge, nothing has happened since (which, I'm sure, is at least partially attributable to NS's lack of interest in the route). That would really be a plus for shippers.


I know someone who is an engineer for the Dover and Rockaway River Railroad and he said they (CAD LLC) will be pushing the local govts to address the P'burg Main Street bridge clearance restrictions on the WASS.. There were several articles a few years ago talking about undercutting the railroad or moving the switch to accommodate plate F cars. If that were to ever happen it would open up new opportunities and help grow business a little more, especially on the branch lines west of Dover and existing customers on the WASS secondary where there are no NJT and catenary height restrictions.

We all know how the government drags their feet, even the tiny local ones with regard to funding, so Im not holding my breath this will happen anytime soon.
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Re: NS H-02 - sightings and reports

Postby blockline4180 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:16 pm

FWIW.. Hopefully there is some positive movement by next summer.
http://phillipsburgrailstudy.org/about-the-study/

DRAFT PURPOSE & NEED STATEMENT
The purpose of this project is to provide freight transportation infrastructure that meets current industry standards in order to promote economic development and optimize freight movement particularly with the existing vertical clearance limitations of the South Main Street Bridge over the Washington Secondary/Morristown Line in Phillipsburg.
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Re: NS H-02 - sightings and reports

Postby brwfan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:46 pm

Saw they had bdrv 1888 in tow tonight.
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Re: NS H-02 - sightings and reports

Postby CR7876 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:31 am

Due to the partial government shutdown, the STB is shut down. They have not yet approved CAD's filing with an effective date, so for now the take over will have to wait a little longer.
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