CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operations

Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New Jersey

Moderator: David

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby R&DB » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:51 pm

Oops! The idea of a museum and excursion trains out of the old CIBA site was a nice pipe dream. After an hour of research, I found out the site is owned by BASF and is still contaminated (federal Superfund site) with BASF stating cleanup will probably last decades longer.
Harry
User avatar
R&DB
 
Posts: 500
Joined: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Location: Sou.Sec. MP 53.6

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby David » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:50 pm

R&DB wrote:Oops! The idea of a museum and excursion trains out of the old CIBA site was a nice pipe dream. After an hour of research, I found out the site is owned by BASF and is still contaminated (federal Superfund site) with BASF stating cleanup will probably last decades longer.




Wow!! Good research, Harry. They might need the line to transport the contaminated soil now.
David-Moderator: New Jersey Railfan, L&HR, NYO&W and L&NE, Forums
User avatar
David
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:28 pm
Location: Naples, Florida

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby R&DB » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:37 am

David wrote:
They might need the line to transport the contaminated soil now.

They truck it out. There is not much solid waste, the real problem is ground water contamination. CIBA and now BASF have been doing remediation since 1990. It will probably continue into the foreseeable future.
Google: BSAF Toms River APP for more information.
Harry
User avatar
R&DB
 
Posts: 500
Joined: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Location: Sou.Sec. MP 53.6

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby CJPat » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:26 am

There is nothing happening at the old Ciba Geigy site (formerly Toms River Chemical) that would use rail service. It is basically a pump & treat groundwater remediation project. The area is mostly sandy. Once the drums containing the waste corroded, the chemicals leaked out and dropped straight into the water table. The job is all about containing the plume and pumping it up to the surface for treatment and disposing the clean water.
CJPat
 
Posts: 1143
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:54 am
Location: Brick, NJ

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby dlagrua » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:52 pm

I have seen videos of the rebuilt CNJ Blue Comet line and a portion looks close to being finished and reactivated. The Gateway project once underway will give this line a real boost. The NJT MOM project mentioned here is hard to understand. MOM = Middlesex/Ocean/Momouth. The old CNJ line runs through parts of Ocean and Atlantic Counties. From what I can see it doesn't offer much in the way of passenger rail for Ocean. What does this line really offer NJT???? Rebuilt in its entirety it could offer a connection to the Atlantic city line, but inOcean???
dlagrua
 
Posts: 177
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:33 pm

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby CJPat » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:31 am

In Ocean County, the heaviest populations are in Brick, Toms River and Lakewood. If MOM was ever acted upon, it's initial terminus would be Lakewood (right next door to Brick). Further musings extended the line down to Lakehurst with others discussing reactivating the Toms River Industrial and setting up a passenger terminus at either the old Cieba Geigy property or even extending it towards the current Park & Ride in the Toms River downtown area by the Parkway. A push further south towards Forked River would be very difficult since the ROW was torn up when they rebuilt Rt 166 (formerly Rt 9) right there by the Park & Ride. Others discussed a desire to push the passenger line from Lakehurst south to Whiting (Jnctn) to serve the large senior development there.

But all together constitute a lot of dreaming that would require huge funding. With the lack of of availability of slots on the NE Corridor, the best one could hope for would be a transfer station at Red Bank, Matawan, or North Brunswick.
CJPat
 
Posts: 1143
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:54 am
Location: Brick, NJ

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby R&DB » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:22 am

CjPat,
A few clarifications:
NJT picked Lakehurst as the terminus in their plan because there is no place for a yard in Lakewood. They decided the spur into the Naval Station could be their Yard.
I agree the potential traffic at Whiting may be worth researching as CMSL / NJSL has repaired the line past that point. Toms River is probably a better choice for the terminus. Tons of potential traffic there as well. The whole idea of MOM is to get some cars and buses off the Route 9 corridor.
You are absolutely right about changing train at the northern (RR eastern) end because diesels are frowned upon beyond there.
Harry
User avatar
R&DB
 
Posts: 500
Joined: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Location: Sou.Sec. MP 53.6

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby NJT4149 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:59 pm

CJPat wrote:In Ocean County, the heaviest populations are in Brick, Toms River and Lakewood. If MOM was ever acted upon, it's initial terminus would be Lakewood (right next door to Brick). Further musings extended the line down to Lakehurst with others discussing reactivating the Toms River Industrial and setting up a passenger terminus at either the old Cieba Geigy property or even extending it towards the current Park & Ride in the Toms River downtown area by the Parkway. A push further south towards Forked River would be very difficult since the ROW was torn up when they rebuilt Rt 166 (formerly Rt 9) right there by the Park & Ride. Others discussed a desire to push the passenger line from Lakehurst south to Whiting (Jnctn) to serve the large senior development there.

But all together constitute a lot of dreaming that would require huge funding. With the lack of of availability of slots on the NE Corridor, the best one could hope for would be a transfer station at Red Bank, Matawan, or North Brunswick.

I feel like it would be possible to run as far east as Newark Penn Station and have everybody transfer there. Could be similar to Raritan Valley Line service, except the MOM could use Track A. However, the rush hour would be an issue...
"When a train goes through a tunnel and it gets dark, you don't throw away the ticket and jump off. You sit still and trust the engineer."
http://www.youtube.com/user/thezyrisawesome
Jersey Shore Rail Productions
User avatar
NJT4149
 
Posts: 635
Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:13 pm
Location: Neptune

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby David » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:08 pm

We need to get back to "CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operations" topic--My fault for some of the "off topics" here--Sorry. Thank you.
David-Moderator: New Jersey Railfan, L&HR, NYO&W and L&NE, Forums
User avatar
David
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:28 pm
Location: Naples, Florida

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby glennk419 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:50 pm

Any updates on how the Lakehurst crossing work is progressing? I suppose Wednesday's storm certainly did not help things.
Glenn
User avatar
glennk419
 
Posts: 2964
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:44 pm
Location: Southeastern PA & Cape May County, NJ

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby RailsEast » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:05 am

Sorry, David, a bit off-topic but somewhat related, President Trump signed the Federal Spending Bill, which includes start-up funding for the Gateway Tunnel. Finally, someplace for the sand to (potentially) go.....

https://www.njbia.org/federal-spending- ... 32018_NJBT

Chris
"Old railfans never die, they just lose track......"
My collection My best
Supporting member: BRRHT, NYS&WT&HS, CRHS
User avatar
RailsEast
 
Posts: 1339
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:11 pm
Location: Shrewsbury, NJ

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby luminous53 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:45 pm

since everybody was talking about the CIBA site I just wanted to mentioned there was a great book written about what went on at the company and the pollution. It really is a fanatic book and won all kinds of awards. Lots of history about the area was included and I think anybody interested in Ocean County would really like it. Sorry I know this is still off topic. Great read http://www.pulitzer.org/winners/dan-fagin
luminous53
 
Posts: 72
Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:10 am
Location: Brooklyn

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby jrzwalker86 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:17 pm

I just wanted to give a kind reminder that there is a very dormant Tom River Industrial Track forum that could use a little action.
jrzwalker86
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed May 12, 2010 8:50 pm

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby David » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:30 pm

This information ties into many different threads, however it can be duplicated into other relevant areas. The choice is yours.
David-Moderator: New Jersey Railfan, L&HR, NYO&W and L&NE, Forums
User avatar
David
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:28 pm
Location: Naples, Florida

Re: CMSL Cape May (NJ) Seashore Lines Non-Passenger Operatio

Postby RailsEast » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:57 pm

Well, the rrpicturearchives uploader is down again, so this is a test run after my visit to Lakehurst. If this works, more photos to come......

Image

Chris
"Old railfans never die, they just lose track......"
My collection My best
Supporting member: BRRHT, NYS&WT&HS, CRHS
User avatar
RailsEast
 
Posts: 1339
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:11 pm
Location: Shrewsbury, NJ

PreviousNext

Return to New Jersey Railfan

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests