Proposed line in Bergen County?

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Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby The Machine » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:03 pm

Hello all,

I am trying to find a map I have been searching and searching for to no avail; though I know I saw it - my brain would never imagine something as interesting as this by itself!

It's a map that shows a proposed line - presumably by the Erie Railroad - between the current Pascack Valley and Bergen County lines. It branched off the NYS&W around Rochelle Park/Saddle Brook then continued between the Pascack and Bergen through what appears to be the Saddle River Valley, until it rejoins the Erie in Rockland County along its line from Suffern to Piermont.

Any evidence for this? Would love to see the map as well if anyone knows where it is!

Thanks!
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby RichM » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm

Just a wild guess, but could the map you're describing show the PS interurban line that roughly followed the routing you describe? I believe a good part of this is still a PSE&G right of way.
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby ajt » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:39 am

This map shows it:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5532/913 ... 6c13_o.gif

Was conceptually a continuation of the Graham Line east; never built.
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby The Machine » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:19 pm

Thank you guys! I do not believe it's the Public Service line, which i've seen the right of way for before. This one was farther east, closer to PVL (NY&NJ), but not too close, and I don't believe anything was ever built.

The map ajt posted is not the one I remember but I think it shows the same concept!
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby The Machine » Mon May 01, 2017 9:30 pm

So I actually found a map that shows the line I was talking about.

http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/1872Atlas/B ... c_1872.jpg

This 1872 map shows a "Proposed Rochdale Branch" of the New Jersey Midland railroad (forerunner of NYS&W) that would go through what is now Fair Lawn then along the Saddle River to the NY border. There was no Erie Bergen County branch yet, I'm assuming this would have supplanted that.

Interesting!
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby Greg » Mon May 15, 2017 8:27 am

The Machine wrote:So I actually found a map that shows the line I was talking about.

http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/1872Atlas/B ... c_1872.jpg

This 1872 map shows a "Proposed Rochdale Branch" of the New Jersey Midland railroad (forerunner of NYS&W) that would go through what is now Fair Lawn then along the Saddle River to the NY border. There was no Erie Bergen County branch yet, I'm assuming this would have supplanted that.

Interesting!


Just another interesting FYI, it also shows the never completed line under Frist Mountain and through Verona.
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby Steve F45 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:59 am

The proposed line going north/south between the PVL and Northern Branch is todays CSX Riverline what would've been back then the New York, Westshore and Buffalo.
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Re: Proposed line in Bergen County?

Postby pumpers » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:29 am

Steve F45 wrote:The proposed line going north/south between the PVL and Northern Branch is todays CSX Riverline what would've been back then the New York, Westshore and Buffalo.

The route of the 1872 proposed Midland RR Extension and the later West Shore sure are similar. I'll have to dig to see if they are related in some way or if it is just coincidence.
JS

EDIT: not at coincidence!
The West Shore wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Shore_Railroad says
At the south end of the route [of the future West Shore], the Ridgefield Park Railroad was incorporated April 4, 1867. This was planned as a branch of the New Jersey Rail Road, splitting at Marion Junction [JS: Marion Jct is on the west side of Jersey City, NJ Railroad is what became the PRR main] and running north on the west side of the New Jersey Palisades via Ridgefield Park to the state line at Tappan, New York....
The line first opened in 1872 as a spur of the New Jersey Midland Railway, which had built the section south of Ridgefield Park. At that time, the northern terminus was at Tappan; .

1872 opening is the year of the map posted above. So it indeed sounds like the the line started operating as an extension of the NJ Midland (later NYS&W), hence the name on the map, because the section south of Ridgefield Park did not come until 1883 (date according to the Wikipedia article).

There is conflicting information out there, however. The Wikipedia article says the line became known as the "Jersey City and Albany RR" in 1878 or 1879 after reorganization after bankruptcy. But a newspaper article in August 1873 described the opening of the route that month from Jersey City to Tappan NY as the "Jersey City and Albany RR" - https://news.hrvh.org/veridian/cgi-bin/ ... 0809.2.20#
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