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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby Arlington » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:07 pm

I found F-Line to be focusing my attention on two things:
1) That the T has right of first refusal on any new passenger service in PAR territory (NH)
2) That the T has even stronger rights Lowell-Boston (on its own territory)

So that NH will need a very T-compatible operator, which, as a practical matter, would end up being the T or Amtrak

And Concord - Boston is about 75 miles and 93 minutes (IIRC from the 2013/14 study),

For comparison, Wickford Junction is 53 miles and Kingston will be 65 miles.
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby Arlington » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:42 pm

From Page 45 of https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/aerorailtran ... ummary.pdf
For Study purposes, several presumptions were made regarding Intercity 8 [4 daily roundtrip] operations:
  • Operated by Amtrak, although no decision on the operator has been made at this point
  • Offered with a single push-pull locomotive hauled train set with four coaches
  • Rolling stock would be similar in configuration and performance to the equipment used for the Downeaster and MBTA commuter rail service; the train set would be stored and serviced overnight at the Concord Station where a plug-in and basic cleaning and servicing facility would be provided
  • Operated from the same pool of equipment used to provide Downeaster service with an extra locomotive and control coach added to that pool to offset the additional burden this service would create; Amtrak would provide heavy maintenance at its facilities in Boston’s Southampton Street Yard or further south on the Northeast Corridor as is the practice with the Downeaster equipment
  • Two crews would be required to provide service each day, and a full roster of three crews plus a spare would be necessary to handle routine service requirements; the minimum required crew would be an engineer and conductor, although it is likely that Amtrak would operate the service with a third crew member to assist with operation of doors and management of passengers
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby Trinnau » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:07 pm

Arlington wrote:I found F-Line to be focusing my attention on two things:
1) That the T has right of first refusal on any new passenger service in PAR territory (NH)
2) That the T has even stronger rights Lowell-Boston (on its own territory)

So that NH will need a very T-compatible operator, which, as a practical matter, would end up being the T or Amtrak

And Concord - Boston is about 75 miles and 93 minutes (IIRC from the 2013/14 study),

For comparison, Wickford Junction is 53 miles and Kingston will be 65 miles.


Don't forget the T actually owns the line all the way to the MA/NH border even though they only operate to Lowell. So ANY trip on the Pan Am Northern Main has to operate on MBTA-owned property (even Worcester-Nashua direct).

Food for thought, but 90-minute or so service to Boston sees good ridership today on the Fitchburg, Worcester and Providence Lines. The limited number of stops on the current Lowell Line certainly helps the longer trip. Lowell is 25 miles from North Station with a 47-minute all-stop trip. A comparable trip from South Acton takes 56 minutes with all-stops or from Ashland takes 65.
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby Dick H » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:30 pm

Probably more details later, but WMUR TV9 just put out a blub that the $4M Commuter Rail Study was removed from the 10 year Transportation Plan this afternoon.
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby Rockingham Racer » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:03 pm

If so, should we be surprised? It's New Hampshire, after all. It might as well be Texas or Florida as well, AFAIC.
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby leviramsey » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:48 am

They may just be waiting to see if Massachusetts shoots itself in the foot this November...
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby artman » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:04 pm

Dick H wrote:Probably more details later, but WMUR TV9 just put out a blub that the $4M Commuter Rail Study was removed from the 10 year Transportation Plan this afternoon.


I see articles dating from 2016 mentioning the stripping of the $$$, but nothing this year. Can you cite hyperlink?
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby Dick H » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:16 pm

From the Union Leader of 2/21
On Wednesday, the House Public Works and Highways Committee voted along party lines to strike a $4 million grant for commuter rail from the proposed 10-year highway program.
Gov. Sununu requested the grant since it was a critical part of the state’s application to try to lure Amazon to locate its second national headquarters here.
After the state was bounced from that competition, leading GOP legislators said Sununu told them he “wouldn’t lose sleep” if the House took it out.
Sununu’s about-face played a role but also important was the past opposition to commuter rail from House Speaker Gene Chandler, R-Bartlett.
As the former longtime chairman of this House committee, Chandler was one of those most responsible in the Legislature for opposing any investment in commuter rail.
Chandler publicly has said committee members were in charge of deciding what was in or out of the 10-year bill.
But the Speaker did make an impromptu visit to the committee just before the panel took two hours of positive testimony on commuter rail being part of the package.
Now the committee has spoken, it’s going to be an uphill battle for supporters to get back in the bill.
One thing is for certain; supporters won’t be giving up and they’ve put together a broad cross-section of businesses that are on board with this request.

Full Article here, but the above is the only reference to the commuter rail issue.
http://www.unionleader.com/Kevin-Landri ... g-02222018
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Re: New Hampshire Commuter Rail Discussion

Postby artman » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:17 pm

Thanks!
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