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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:11 pm

BandA wrote:CSX shouldn't be involved at Worcester -- the tracks are separate, the platforms are separate, and I assume there would be no reason for BSRR to use CSX track.


Correct. The Lowell reverse, on the other hand, couldn't possibly be staged in a worse spot having to engage two different dispatchers at Bleachery to haggle slots. So their numbers, which long ago stopped passing the laugh test when they engaged the Worcester Branch, now require tri-party agreements just for access in and out of one station. Quad-party when you throw in LRTA fees for use of the building and its over-capacity garage. This is not exactly simplifying things from a PRV-WON initial scheme that was apparently a bridge too far.

And all of this STILL doesn't matter because they've made bupkis progress getting trackage rights with P&W squared ever since G&W took over. There's no Worcester-anything if they aren't allowed to occupy the Gardner Branch at all between Worcester Union and Barbers Jct.
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby MaineCoonCat » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:21 pm

MaineCoonCat wrote:
UPDATE: I actually finally did get a "password reset" e-mail last night around 11:20 pm. I can now log in to the forum.. Posts over there by MissiKitty are mine (unless they get hacked!)..

I hereby rescind my "Lots'a luck" statement.


Okay, i can't take it anymore.. I'm starting to ask questions in their "forum".. Look out, she's goin' in!
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:34 pm

Hopefully you didn't land in a nest of yellowjackets or any other kind of hornets in there,after you dive into their forum.
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby MaineCoonCat » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:06 am

I am getting some informative and rapid responses! Looks so far like they'r not averse to sharing some info with rail enthusiasts.. Posts by Missikitty are mine.. http://www.bsrc.com/forums/
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby BandA » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:56 am

9 Comet IIs + 3 F59PH. And still negotiating PTC requirements with G&W.

But no RDCs. I can't remember ever seeing a self-propelled RDC in operation, that would have been fun. Guess I'll have to ride the BSRR or CSRX.

It's good for them to put out some information so that we know there is some movement!
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby BandA » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:02 am

Lowell. If the garage is over capacity already, they should make it bigger / add additional garage. Certainly the revenue would covers the cost? [/sarcasm]. Not BSRR's problem to look for parking. Plus, riders from NH would get on in Nashua or Bedford, reducing the number parking in Lowell. And lets face it, how many people are going to commute from Lowell to Worcester? That segment is going to struggle I think.

I have no idea about Lowell track layout.
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby ts.puruz » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:01 pm

Came into the office today to find parking lot full of white vans with Genesee and Wyoming logos on them and the conference room full of suits meeting with the BSRC guys.

I guess most left right away but a few stayed for a bit - hour or so.

The cool part is that I guess they arrived on this :

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LGm5jP4seLiftdwy1

Which I caught departing!

Nobody will tell me anything though.
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:47 pm

BandA wrote:Lowell. If the garage is over capacity already, they should make it bigger / add additional garage. Certainly the revenue would covers the cost? [/sarcasm]. Not BSRR's problem to look for parking.


They want to use LRTA's station and garage, but it's taxpayer-funded LRTA's problem to roll out the red carpet for a bigger garage so the private interloper can have nice things??? In whose bizarro-world is that funding argument going to fly? Don't be dense and passive-aggressive; you know full well that's not how the real world works and that this isn't a reasonable request. Least of all for an outfit flying under the "No Public Subsidy" banner.

Plus, riders from NH would get on in Nashua or Bedford, reducing the number parking in Lowell.


This would be true if it were a linear extension of the Lowell Line for contiguous BOSTON-Nashua service. But it's not. It's Worcester-Lowell-Manchester on an overchurning corridor, not 'burbs-to-hub. Lowell is going to be the second-largest origin of trips on this corridor.

I have no idea about Lowell track layout.


Lowell Station sits in the middle of Bleachery. They mix with freight traffic coming from the west, MBTA traffic coming from the east, and it's a dispatcher handoff point between MBTA and PAR. Punch it up on Google and see what a mass of tracks and switches it is. It is one of the near-messiest places on the whole system to chew up a reverse move.
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby Ridgefielder » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:06 pm

ts.puruz wrote:Came into the office today to find parking lot full of white vans with Genesee and Wyoming logos on them and the conference room full of suits meeting with the BSRC guys.

I guess most left right away but a few stayed for a bit - hour or so.

The cool part is that I guess they arrived on this :

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LGm5jP4seLiftdwy1

Which I caught departing!

Nobody will tell me anything though.

Well it sounds like something is happening. G&W executives aren't going to truck up to Woonsocket to chase a will-o-the-wisp.
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby MaineCoonCat » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:21 pm

At 11:22PM on December 27. 2017 In an article entitled "The Heart of Nashua with Joan Stylianos: A look at Nashua's past and future, street by street", JOAN STYLIANOS of the Union Leader staff wrote:
The Heart of Nashua with Joan Stylianos: A look at Nashua's past and future, street by street

"From my untrained eye, that unattractive area of industrial land appears ripe for a major overhaul and beautification. The mayor and board of aldermen are “all aboard” and excited about the possibility of a commuter rail stop there, which would be awesome.

The way I understand it, the route would run from Worcester, Mass. to Lowell, Mass., and then up to Nashua and Bedford. Boston Surface Railroad Company of Rhode Island says its project would be privately funded and could be ready in about three years. Nashua would only have to pay for the construction and maintenance of a new train station."


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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby MaineCoonCat » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:47 pm

On JAN 19, 2018 In an article entitled "N.H. House and Senate Need to Approve Study for Commuter Rail to Move Forward", JESSICA HUNT & MARY MCINTYRE of the New Hampshire Public Radio staff wrote:
Gov. Chris Sununu voiced opposition to a commuter rail in New Hampshire during his campaign. But now he's supporting a $4 million feasibility study to look at how commuter rail could work.

NHPR's Jessica Hunt spoke with rail expansion advocate E.J. Powers on what Sununu's position change could mean for commuter rail in the state.

What do you make of Sununu's new position on commuter rail?

Well, I think the Amazon proposal, it really highlights the fact that modern day businesses and their employees have a changing mindset when it comes to transportation. You know, when you look at the Amazon finalists, of the 20 finalists only three don't currently offer rail, but two are actively exploring projects. So that sends a sign that these businesses that New Hampshire's looking to recruit have a sort of changing mindset and want to have alternative forms of transportation into the mix.

So the main reason Sununu gave for supporting commuter rail was the possibility of new Amazon headquarters in Londonderry. Given that New Hampshire didn't make the short list, do you suspect Sununu's position will change again?

You know I don't claim to speak for any politician, but what I can assume is that the governor is hearing from prospective companies and the hundreds of existing businesses that are here in New Hampshire that are facing serious workforce challenges. And I hope, I believe that maybe he has decided to strategically invest in the future of New Hampshire. So whether it's, you know, Amazon or Apple just decided that they want to invest in a new corporate headquarters, or if it's a company of five or 50 that's looking to expand here in New Hampshire, New Hampshire needs to be thinking strategically in terms of how it can attract a new workforce. You know the state faces serious workforce and demographic challenges. The working age population in every county is going to be decreasing over the next 20 years. The age of folks 65 and older in every single county is going to double during that same period of time. And so this in migration that's been seen in the 80s and 90s is just not happening again. So we need a fresh approach in terms of understanding how we're going to fulfill the needs of the existing employers that we have here and employers of the future. And you know rail is not the silver bullet, but it certainly can be a key piece of the puzzle.


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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby MaineCoonCat » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:20 pm

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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby MaineCoonCat » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:29 pm

At 08:25:16 AM EST on 01/25/2018 In an article entitled "N.H. governor opens bridge for commuter rail expansion study", Chris Lisinski of the Lowell Sun NEWS staff wrote:
N.H. governor opens bridge for commuter rail expansion study

LOWELL -- The prospect of extending commuter rail lines through Lowell and into several New Hampshire cities looks stronger after Gov. Chris Sununu, who has long voiced concerns
about rail expansion, reportedly expressed support for a study to examine the idea.

Sununu said last week that he felt it worthwhile to spent $4 million of federal grant money to look at potential expansions of the state's rail lines, the New Hampshire Union Leader reported. Sununu's office did not respond to multiple requests for comment from The Sun.

In 2015, the New Hampshire Rail Transit Authority completed a two-year study and suggested connecting the MBTA line that runs through Lowell to a New Hampshire line with stops in Nashua, Manchester and Concord. EJ Powers, a Manchester business owner and rail-expansion advocate who hadworked for the NHRTA, said the new study to which Sununu referred would serve as a "comprehensive analysis" on how such the project might unfold.

Sununu criticized the idea of commuter rail expansion during his campaign. However, he appears to have warmed to the idea because rail access factored into New Hampshire's unsuccessful bid to host Amazon's second headquarters.

"I continue to have genuine concerns regarding the long-term, financial viability of such an expansive project," Sununu said in a statement to the Concord Monitor last week. "However, the recent process of drafting New Hampshire's groundbreaking Amazon proposal has demonstrated the need to study the potential options.


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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby johnpbarlow » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:28 am

Commonwealth of Mass doesn't think very much of Boston Surface RR's proposed Worcester - Providence commuter rail proposal in the state's 2018 Rail Plan. Attached is snip-it of the Mass Rail plan slide 26 listing Tier 3 long term priorities.

https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2018/01/30/Jan29_17PubM_0.pdf
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Re: Boston Surface Railroad: Worcester-Providence Commuter R

Postby lakest101 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:49 pm

johnpbarlow wrote:Commonwealth of Mass doesn't think very much of Boston Surface RR's proposed Worcester - Providence commuter rail proposal in the state's 2018 Rail Plan. Attached is snip-it of the Mass Rail plan slide 26 listing Tier 3 long term priorities.


I was at the public hearing on the 29th and someone specifically asked about that. The MassDOT rep stated that the findings in the railplan aren't about whether the private operator will succeed or not but how important MassDOT feels about in in terms of the State getting involved. Personally I think their interest has to do with how much clamoring is done by constituents in a corridor. Let's face it as much as I would like to see WOR to SPG there is no way CSX is going to allow it to happen yet it shows up as "let's study it" because of all the yelling from Western Mass.
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