MassDOT Acquisition of Framingham Secondary

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Re: MassDOT purchase of Framingham Secondary?

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:50 pm

Trainman101 wrote:The state needed to buy the the Framingham secondary to get south boston? Why stop there? Why not buy the the entire Boston and Albany? It will work so much better if it's all under state control. Only massdot and a communist nation would be dumb enough to buy a perfectly healthy rail line.


And Maine, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware...as matter of policy for 40 years now. And Amtrak. And now California and Ontario.

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Re: MassDOT purchase of Framingham Secondary?

Postby MEC407 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:57 am

Easy now, guys. Let's try to give forum lurkers at least the illusion that we can be polite to one another, eh? :wink:
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Re: MassDOT purchase of Framingham Secondary?

Postby Ridgefielder » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:23 am

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Commies. Commies everywhere you look Image

And flouride in the water! :wink:
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Re: MassDOT purchase of Framingham Secondary?

Postby Trainman101 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:26 pm

Sorry I meant to say liberal not communist.
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Re: MassDOT purchase of Framingham Secondary?

Postby eustis22 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:40 pm

Whatever you say, General Ripper.

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Re: MassDOT purchase of Framingham Secondary?

Postby BandA » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:08 pm

Ridgefielder wrote:
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Commies. Commies everywhere you look Image

And flouride in the water! :wink:
Same outfit that ordered RED line and orange line cars from CNR, which is controlled by the communist party of China.
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Re: MassDOT Completes Acquisition of Framingham Secondary Ra

Postby nomis » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:54 am

See thread http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=157052
It's been tagged for a merge & 'ghost' thread a forum.
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Re: MassDOT Completes Acquisition of Framingham Secondary Ra

Postby MBTA3247 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:09 pm

MassDOT concluded that acquiring this rail asset supports our goals of increasing use of freight rail, which takes trucks off our highways and reduces greenhouse gases by consolidating the movement of freight

This from the same agency that essentially kicked CSX out of Beacon Park, requiring more trucks on the Mass Pike east of Worcester?
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Re: MassDOT Completes Acquisition of Framingham Secondary Ra

Postby chrisf » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:29 pm

MBTA3247 wrote:
MassDOT concluded that acquiring this rail asset supports our goals of increasing use of freight rail, which takes trucks off our highways and reduces greenhouse gases by consolidating the movement of freight

This from the same agency that essentially kicked CSX out of Beacon Park, requiring more trucks on the Mass Pike east of Worcester?

It's also pretty disingenuous to claim that it connects to the Needham Line.
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Re: MassDOT Completes Acquisition of Framingham Secondary Ra

Postby rmccown » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:10 pm

chrisf wrote:
MBTA3247 wrote:
MassDOT concluded that acquiring this rail asset supports our goals of increasing use of freight rail, which takes trucks off our highways and reduces greenhouse gases by consolidating the movement of freight

This from the same agency that essentially kicked CSX out of Beacon Park, requiring more trucks on the Mass Pike east of Worcester?

It's also pretty disingenuous to claim that it connects to the Needham Line.


The likelyhood of a train going from Medfield Junction through Dover is exactly zero.
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Re: MassDOT Acquisition of Framingham Secondary

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:53 pm

Merged with NE Railfan Forum topic, placed in MBTA, and retitled.
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Re: MassDOT Completes Acquisition of Framingham Secondary Ra

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:29 pm

rmccown wrote:
chrisf wrote:
MBTA3247 wrote:
MassDOT concluded that acquiring this rail asset supports our goals of increasing use of freight rail, which takes trucks off our highways and reduces greenhouse gases by consolidating the movement of freight

This from the same agency that essentially kicked CSX out of Beacon Park, requiring more trucks on the Mass Pike east of Worcester?

It's also pretty disingenuous to claim that it connects to the Needham Line.


The likelyhood of a train going from Medfield Junction through Dover is exactly zero.


Literal zero...it's officially abandoned now. I don't think the switch has been spiked since it ties into the storage siding/runaround on the Framingham Sec. and the portion of the line several hundred feet up to the Ice House Rd. grade crossing is still completely fine for MOW storage use. MassDOT is obligated in the deal to do some freight-related track upgrades (though obviously at no rush). So there will be things like crossing surface renewal, tie replacement, some stick rail replacement, and whatnot. Most of the crossings are flashers-only, so they'd probably also be installing gates at several of them...especially in Game Train territory. Couple southside crews will probably eventually get qualified on the Upper Secondary as provision for equipment moves in a pinch between Franklin and Worcester Lines. Much like the Hospital Train route up north it's useful to have in an emergency.


It is a consequential freight line. Small business, but at least 3 dailies make round trips down it with some additional run-as-directeds. And with Massport hellbent on generating more port freight at South Boston, Fall River, and New Bedford it's the last rail link on those routes that the state doesn't control ownership on for being the initiating party on upgrades to support the pipeline to port freight (as debateable as that initiative is). 286K loading weight on the line currently extends only as far south of Framingham as Medfield Jct. Per the State Rail Plan they want to start chipping away at it to get further down. It would only be 5 additional miles of uprate to get to Walpole Yard. Then the Foxboro commuter rail upgrades would two-birds-for-one-stone the 286K job to Mansfield Jct. The NEC is already 286K-rated Mansfield-Attleboro Jct. And then they have eventual plans (more dubious, perhaps, but possibly bootstrappable onto a Cape Codder or Providence-flank Cape Flyer track project) of doing the same on the Middleboro Secondary to Taunton because South Coast Rail would uprate the FR/NB branches to the ports. You'd of course be talking itty-bitty investments tied to no particular schedule, but there is a long-term freight logic to it.

That's part of the reason why the MassDOT mothership was the one that made the transaction, and not the MBTA. I would imagine if Foxboro happens there'll be a paper transaction to transfer ownership or lease control of the Walpole-Mansfield segment to the T. But the purchase itself and the long-term control of the Upper Sec. was a MassDOT joint. The T budget is not taking any hit for this, and much like the Knowledge Corridor to the extent the T track dept. is borrowed for engineering and maintenance they're on a 1:1 cost reimbursement for the extracurricular. But important to note that this does NOT directly affect T finances.
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Re: MassDOT Acquisition of Framingham Secondary

Postby Trainman101 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:49 pm

So how much is csx paying the state to run trains on the line? Just wondering how I'm getting my investment back.
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Re: MassDOT Acquisition of Framingham Secondary

Postby dbperry » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:06 am

Did / does CSX pay property taxes on freight lines they own to the town they're in? If that's true, is one potential group of losers in this deal all the towns along the line who lose property tax revenue?
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