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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:05 am

I see, so the older GP40s and F40PHs were leased and return to NJ Transit/Amtrak, but the F59PHs from GO Transit were bought so they are owned by the AMT which allows them to be repainted to AMT's colors.
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:29 am

I was talking about the F59PH1s that used to run on the Blainville and Vaudreuil lines. Where will they run now?
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby AMTFan1 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:18 pm

sparkyhero wrote:I was talking about the F59PH1s which used to run on Blainville and Vaudreuil. Where will they run now?


Some of them are undergoing a major overhaul now. I think they will still run on the Candiac and Vaudreuil/Hudson lines. They are too high to enter Central Station so they won't be used on the Mont-St-Hilaire line and for the Blainville/Saint-Jérôme line, many residents living near the Saint-Antoine yard were complaining for years about the noise the F59PHIs were making when they were leaving the yard early in the morning. Since the ALP-45DPs are quieter than the F59PHIs, I think it will only be ALP-45DPs on the Blainville/Saint-Jérôme line.
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:52 pm

The F59PHIs will probably be used on the Candiac line since Vaudreuil-Hudson now uses te ALP-45DPs... Any idea on how much time it will take to repaint the ex GO locomotives? I'd like to go railfanning soon and hopefully get some videos of them in action!
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby AMTFan1 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:30 pm

sparkyhero wrote:The F59PHIs will probably be used on the Candiac line since Vaudreuil-Hudson now uses te ALP-45DPs... Any idea on how much time it will take to repaint the ex GO locomotives? I'd like to go railfanning soon and hopefully get some videos of them in action!


For now, not all the ALP-45DPs are being used on the Vaudreuil/Hudson and Blainville/Saint-Jerôme lines. Some F59PHIs will still be used for some time on the Vaudreuil/Hudson line. For the F59PH (ex-GO locomotives, now AMT 1340 to 1349), they will receive a new 800 kW HEP generator and be modified in order to enter in Central Station. The overhaul program will end in february 2015. Here's more information at the following link:

http://www.metrodemontreal.com/forum/vi ... hp?t=16470
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:39 pm

Any news concerning the future Mascouche line?
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby AMTFan1 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:29 am

Here's a beautiful picture taken by Nicolas Houde of two AMT ALP-45DPs (AMT 1364 on the lead and AMT 1357 on the back) on duty on the Vaudreuil/Hudson line. The picture has been taken on the Valois train station:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 802&nseq=1
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:55 pm

Question: why don't AMT trains have chevrons at the front of the locomotives like in the U.S? I know the old cars used to have them...
Old AMT cars with chevrons:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sai ... e_Wiki.jpg
U.S train with chevrons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... santon.jpg
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby jwhite07 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:57 am

Simply a matter of preference. Chevrons or "scare stripes" aren't required by any regulations, and whether or not they are effective at all is a matter of debate. There are plenty of railroads (the majority, I would say) who don't bother with them. They are an additional expense to apply and maintain, after all.
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby ant6n » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:47 pm

Does anybody have any data regarding the noise of these trains?
I.e.
ALP-45DP in diesel mode
vs ALP-45DP in electric mode
vs F59PH
vs MR-90

The Westmount Sub goes along some pretty populated areas, and some of the people there (esp. Westmount, Montreal-Ouest) are lobbying against increases in the number of departures because of noise. Would the new trains help significantly? Or is it better to just electrify and run the bimodal trains in electric mode?
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby Rotax » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:01 pm

ant6n wrote:Does anybody have any data regarding the noise of these trains?
I.e.
ALP-45DP in diesel mode
vs ALP-45DP in electric mode
vs F59PH
vs MR-90

The Westmount Sub goes along some pretty populated areas, and some of the people there (esp. Westmount, Montreal-Ouest) are lobbying against increases in the number of departures because of noise. Would the new trains help significantly? Or is it better to just electrify and run the bimodal trains in electric mode?


The ALP-45DP in diesel mode is significantly quieter than any other diesel locomotive the AMT operates. Even at full throttle, I'd say that it's not much louder than an F59PHI running at idle with its HEP running.

In electric mode, I heard just sounds like an ALP-46. It's probably comparable to the MR-90.
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby AMTFan1 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:02 pm

CN mignt have authorized the AMT to use the ALP-45DP locomotives on its network. The locomotives will be back on duty on the Mont-St-Hilaire line next June. For the overcrowded Deux-Montagnes line, it is still unknown when these engines will be used with the multilevel cars.

In the meantime, AMT 1365 has been sent to Oshawa for the Canadian Rail Collision & Refurbish Inc. (CRCR) in order to undergo some repairs.
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:05 am

That I don't understand, why would they authorize the ALP-45DP's to run on the Mont-Saint-Hilaire line but not Deux-Montagnes? Both go through Central Station... They should be using the ALP-45DP's on the line that needs the bilevel cars the most, and must make it a priority.
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby ant6n » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:31 am

Maybe its cuz the only thing that's been running on those tracks in twenty years is the mr-90, which is much lighter. And those tracks just can't take the weight.

What I don't get is why they don't just buy/lease three or four surplus/used electric only engines that were used in the NEC, which should be lighter and ready to go, at least in terms of track and weight concerns (plus, much cheaper).
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Re: ALP-45DP Thread

Postby sparkyhero » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:53 am

But why does it take so much time for CN and AMT to make a deal concerning the refurbishment of the tracks at Central Station? Construction hasn't begun yet and this is going to stall the Train de l'Est,a project that has already been delayed for four years.

Indeed, the ALP-45DP's are heavier than the MR-90's but they have been modified and all that is missing is the refurbishment of the tracks. Plus I overheard that the double-deckers might be too high for a certain part of the tunnel and could rub against the concrete wall, which might create an additional concern (then again, I didn't read about this anywhere but heard it from someone)... An AMT spokesperson declared in mid-February that CN and AMT were to meet in the following weeks in order to find a solution concerning the refurbishment of the tracks. Nearly two months have passed and there is no progress whatsoever in the negociations. So much of AMT's projects are put on hold because of these old sets of tracks...
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